Michael Irvin's Three Greatest WRs
 

Anyone else see ESPN's Monday Night Countdown and Michael Irvin's list of the Three Greatest WRs ever, in his opinion?

1) Jerry Rice (no argument there)
2) Andre Reed (um....)
3) Michael Irvin (his middle name must be Modest :rolleyes: )

Stu Scott, Tom Jackson, and Jaws gave him an especially hard time about Andre Reed at no. 2

Irvin's justification was the purpose of playing football is to win and Reed made it to 4 Super Bowls.

Jackson shut him up fast when he said, "Reed won zero and Art Monk won 3"

I thought it was idiotic. Obviously, Irvin only put up people he had heard about recently. What about Monk, Steve Largent, Swan....
His QB picks were messed up too. I agree with Montana and Unitas but Elway being the greatest athlete at the position? C'mon. How about Sammy Baugh, Staubach, Bart Star, Jurgenson or Marino as all time greats? Don't get me wrong, I like Elway too but it seems like these guys would all give him a run for his money.

I thought Jaws did the 3 greatest QBs, but I hear what you're saying

You are correct, sir!! It was still idiotic but at least he didn't put himself on there.

Once again there is definitive proof that drugs do hinder your ability to judge others!!!!

I think he's still on the pipe

[QUOTE=jbcjr14]Once again there is definitive proof that drugs do hinder your ability to judge others!!!![/QUOTE]
So the fact that my wife gets high to help with her chemo treatments hinders her the ability to judge people. WRONG!!! Lets just say Michael has a ego issue. He was good but not one of the top 3. Andre Reed was also not a top 3 but at least he was a Redskin at one time.
Bilitnikoff
Rice
Swann/Monk
would be my choices. So many to choose from though it is really hard to come up with 3. But not Irvin.

[color=black]The playmaker was allegedly doing more than pot. And yes, the extended use of some drugs, especially the ones that he is reputed to have used, have been known to do irreversible brain damage.[/color]

[color=black]I [font=Times New Roman][size=3]empathize [/size][/font]for your wife's need to light up to smooth out the chemo, [/color][color=black]but you might want to keep that on the QT... it's still illegal most places. You wouldn't want LE cuffing your wife and bringing her downtown, would you?[/color]

[QUOTE=CRT3]So the fact that my wife gets high to help with her chemo treatments hinders her the ability to judge people. WRONG!!! Lets just say Michael has a ego issue. He was good but not one of the top 3. Andre Reed was also not a top 3 but at least he was a Redskin at one time.
Bilitnikoff
Rice
Swann/Monk
would be my choices. So many to choose from though it is really hard to come up with 3. But not Irvin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I think he's still on the pipe[/QUOTE]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, watching his hyper performances on that show, you would think so. (I try to avoid that show because of him - he destroys it).

CRT3, sorry about the wife bro, my deepest sympathies. However, drugs do fry the brain, its scientifically proven. Irvin is just a flaming idiot with very few brain cells left....and yes, he probably still is on the pipe!

So I guess just because Henry Ellard didn't win a SB he's not worthy to be in the elite 3 even though he was one of the best route runners to ever rocket off the line.

Reed's postseason numbers are really good compared to Ellard, but I think Ellard was a better route runner.

[B]Reed's Postseason Stats:[/B]

Postseason data
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Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
1988 hou W,17-10 | 1 -1 0 | 6 91 0
1988 cin L,10-21 | 0 0 0 | 5 55 1
1989 cle L,30-34 | 0 0 0 | 6 115 1
1990 mia W,44-34 | 0 0 0 | 4 123 2
1990 rai W,51-3 | 0 0 0 | 2 29 0
*1990 nyg L,19-20 | 0 0 0 | 8 62 0
1991 kan W,37-14 | 1 6 0 | 4 100 2
1991 den W,10-7 | 1 16 0 | 2 19 0
*1991 was L,24-37 | 0 0 0 | 5 34 0
1992 hou W,41-38 | 0 0 0 | 8 136 3
1992 pit W,24-3 | 1 -8 0 | 0 0 0
1992 mia W,29-10 | 2 6 0 | 3 25 0
*1992 dal L,17-52 | 0 0 0 | 8 152 0
1993 rai W,29-23 | 0 0 0 | 4 53 0
1993 kan W,30-13 | 1 8 0 | 4 49 0
*1993 dal L,13-30 | 0 0 0 | 6 75 0
1995 pit L,21-40 | 0 0 0 | 2 20 0
1996 jax L,27-30 | 0 0 0 | 3 32 0
1998 mia L,17-24 | 0 0 0 | 5 60 0
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 7 27 0 | 85 1230 9


[B]Ellard's Postseason Stats:[/B]

Postseason data
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Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
1983 dal W,24-17 | 0 0 0 | 1 22 0
1983 was L,7-51 | 0 0 0 | 3 39 0
1984 nyg L,13-16 | 0 0 0 | 2 22 0
1985 dal W,20-0 | 0 0 0 | 2 33 0
1985 chi L,0-24 | 0 0 0 | 1 5 0
1986 was L,7-19 | 0 0 0 | 1 14 0
1988 min L,17-28 | 1 2 0 | 4 54 0
1989 phi W,21-7 | 0 0 0 | 4 87 1
1989 nyg W,19-13 | 0 0 0 | 8 125 0
1989 sfo L,3-30 | 0 0 0 | 2 18 0
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 1 2 0 | 28 419 1

Actually, I don't think we can lump pot and crack into the collective heading of "drugs." This is apples and oranges. Cocaine is a narcotic stimulant and pot is a low-level hallucinogen.

The active ingredients in Pot have not been scientifically proven to damage brain cells to the extent that ethanol (in alcohol) has; and probably both alcohol and marijuana do far less damage to someone's brain than crack.

Basically, I think doing crack for a sustained amount of time would lead to idiotic remarks that come out of Michael Irvin's mouth with regularity; on the other hand, a patient who takes marijuana in a therapeutic manner would probably have no serious impairments to his/her judgment and would realize that the top three receivers of all time are:

1. Jerry Rice
2. Lynn Swann
3. Charley Taylor

[QUOTE=Drift Reality]Actually, I don't think we can lump pot and crack into the collective heading of "drugs." This is apples and oranges. Cocaine is a narcotic stimulant and pot is a low-level hallucinogen.

The active ingredients in Pot have not been scientifically proven to damage brain cells to the extent that ethanol (in alcohol) has; and probably both alcohol and marijuana do far less damage to someone's brain than crack.

Basically, I think doing crack for a sustained amount of time would lead to idiotic remarks that come out of Michael Irvin's mouth with regularity; on the other hand, a patient who takes marijuana in a therapeutic manner would probably have no serious impairments to his/her judgment and would realize that the top three receivers of all time are:

1. Jerry Rice
2. Lynn Swann
3. Charley Taylor[/QUOTE]
Very well put I fully agree with you.

Eelch please don't tell me to keep it on the QT. This is reality man and it is in fact only a $100.00 fine in the state of MD. So I don't think we have to worry about the cuffs. I also don't think it is right to make assumptions on peoples lives like Mr. Irvin. He did get busted in the past but it is unfair for us to judge what we don't know. Stick to disagreeing with his picks and not making judgments where you have no factual knowledge. Who would be your picks for top 3 recievers? Or maybe just pick the 3 biggest egos in football

Plenty of people express opinions based on assumptions on this website, and I reserve the right to do so in the future. My assumption was only about Mr. Irving's past use in this case and I believe it was warranted.

I didn't say that I wouldn't be smoking if I was in you're wife's place... I just wouldn't want my spouse posting about it on a public board. I really hope your wife does well. I have some close friends going through the same thing... and I know how difficult it has been for them.

[QUOTE=CRT3]Very well put I fully agree with you.

Eelch please don't tell me to keep it on the QT. This is reality man and it is in fact only a $100.00 fine in the state of MD. So I don't think we have to worry about the cuffs. I also don't think it is right to make assumptions on peoples lives like Mr. Irvin. He did get busted in the past but it is unfair for us to judge what we don't know. Stick to disagreeing with his picks and not making judgments where you have no factual knowledge. Who would be your picks for top 3 recievers? Or maybe just pick the 3 biggest egos in football[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CRT3]Very well put I fully agree with you.

Eelch please don't tell me to keep it on the QT. This is reality man and it is in fact only a $100.00 fine in the state of MD. So I don't think we have to worry about the cuffs. I also don't think it is right to make assumptions on peoples lives like Mr. Irvin. He did get busted in the past but it is unfair for us to judge what we don't know. Stick to disagreeing with his picks and not making judgments where you have no factual knowledge. Who would be your picks for top 3 recievers? Or maybe just pick the 3 biggest egos in football[/QUOTE]

QT, the "reality" of it is that he was/is a habitual crack/coke user and has been busted on more than one occassion. Once a user always an abuser, especially for that idiot. I don't know if he is a user now, but just like an alcoholic, they are always an alcoholic and are never cured of the disease. This is my opinion, and I am entitled to think that drugs cause him to say stupid garbage at times...that is my constitutional right.

[QUOTE=CRT3]Very well put I fully agree with you.

Eelch please don't tell me to keep it on the QT. This is reality man and it is in fact only a $100.00 fine in the state of MD. So I don't think we have to worry about the cuffs. I also don't think it is right to make assumptions on peoples lives like Mr. Irvin. He did get busted in the past but it is unfair for us to judge what we don't know. Stick to disagreeing with his picks and not making judgments where you have no factual knowledge. Who would be your picks for top 3 recievers? Or maybe just pick the 3 biggest egos in football[/QUOTE]

QT, the "reality" of it is that he was/is a habitual crack/coke user and has been busted on more than one occassion. Once a user always an abuser, especially for that idiot. I don't know if he is a user now, but just like an alcoholic, they are always an alcoholic and are never cured of the disease. This is my opinion, and I am entitled to think that drugs cause him to say stupid garbage at times...that is my constitutional right.

1. Largent
2. Monk
3. Rice

By the way... here's my list of all time WRs:
Jerry Rice
Art Monk
Steve Largent

And my list of all time egos:
Deion Sanders
Jeff George
Michael Irving

[QUOTE=jbcjr14]QT, the "reality" of it is that he was/is a habitual crack/coke user and has been busted on more than one occassion. Once a user always an abuser, especially for that idiot. I don't know if he is a user now, but just like an alcoholic, they are always an alcoholic and are never cured of the disease. This is my opinion, and I am entitled to think that drugs cause him to say stupid garbage at times...that is my constitutional right.

1. Largent
2. Monk
3. Rice[/QUOTE]
OK

But can you guys in Florida at least correctly punch your ballots this year. Its my constitutional right to make sure all votes are counted.

Or can they at least be counted correctly this time around?

Something tells me Florida is going to be a mess again this Nov.

CRT3: I am very sorry to hear about your wife and pray that she gets better very soon. I think and hope that everybody else here wishes the same regardless of their opinion of medicinal marijuana.

Drift Reality: Lynn Swann #2? You'll have to explain that one to me. I'm too young to remember his career but his stats don't impress me enough to be number 2. Is it because of his big game performances?

JBCJR14: Jerry Rice #3? That's something you don't see too often. Why not #1?

My top 3:

Rice
Largent
Harrison

also receiving votes: Carter, Lofton

Rice has gotta be #1 on any list talking about the top WR's, and even the top players of all-time regardless of position.

Actually, I've just seen footage of Lynn Swann on old NFL films and read about how smooth a route-runner he was. Also, the four super bowls are big (although he played a pivotal role in only 2/4 I think)

Stats-wise, it's really tough to compare today's receivers to those of even twenty years ago. The vertical passing game didn't really start picking up until the early 80s due to the offensive sets of guys like Walsh and Coryell.

Furthermore, the Steelers really emphasized the run/defense mindset so it wasn't easy for Swann to get the electric stats that you saw out of guys like Rice.

Despite all that, I think there was just something really impressive about the way he played. Now that I think back on it though, I think it was a bad decision to place him in the top three. Maybe top 10 would have been more appropriate.

That being said, in some ways I think we really need to wait a while before we start putting guys like Reed, Harrison, or Brown into the category of greatest ever. I think it takes time for people to realize how a player fits into an era. Did the era define him; or did he define the era (such is the case for Jerry Rice).

Nice post. Solid explanation. I debated whether or not to put Harrison in my top 3 because of what you're saying. The guy is basically in the prime of his career and with these new rules his numbers could skyrocket to unbelievable heights

[QUOTE=Drift Reality]Actually, I've just seen footage of Lynn Swann on old NFL films and read about how smooth a route-runner he was. Also, the four super bowls are big (although he played a pivotal role in only 2/4 I think)

Stats-wise, it's really tough to compare today's receivers to those of even twenty years ago. The vertical passing game didn't really start picking up until the early 80s due to the offensive sets of guys like Walsh and Coryell.

Furthermore, the Steelers really emphasized the run/defense mindset so it wasn't easy for Swann to get the electric stats that you saw out of guys like Rice.

Despite all that, I think there was just something really impressive about the way he played. Now that I think back on it though, I think it was a bad decision to place him in the top three. Maybe top 10 would have been more appropriate.

That being said, in some ways I think we really need to wait a while before we start putting guys like Reed, Harrison, or Brown into the category of greatest ever. I think it takes time for people to realize how a player fits into an era. Did the era define him; or did he define the era (such is the case for Jerry Rice).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=smootsmack]CRT3: I am very sorry to hear about your wife and pray that she gets better very soon. I think and hope that everybody else here wishes the same regardless of their opinion of medicinal marijuana.

Drift Reality: Lynn Swann #2? You'll have to explain that one to me. I'm too young to remember his career but his stats don't impress me enough to be number 2. Is it because of his big game performances?

JBCJR14: Jerry Rice #3? That's something you don't see too often. Why not #1?

My top 3:

Rice
Largent
Harrison

also receiving votes: Carter, Lofton[/QUOTE]

Ah yes...not alot of logic in that one other than Largeant is the great white hope, not too mention that I just did three lines of smack before I wrote the post. But hey, drugs don't alter my judgement.

[QUOTE=Drift Reality]Actually, I've just seen footage of Lynn Swann on old NFL films and read about how smooth a route-runner he was. Also, the four super bowls are big (although he played a pivotal role in only 2/4 I think)

Stats-wise, it's really tough to compare today's receivers to those of even twenty years ago. The vertical passing game didn't really start picking up until the early 80s due to the offensive sets of guys like Walsh and Coryell.

Furthermore, the Steelers really emphasized the run/defense mindset so it wasn't easy for Swann to get the electric stats that you saw out of guys like Rice.

Despite all that, I think there was just something really impressive about the way he played. Now that I think back on it though, I think it was a bad decision to place him in the top three. Maybe top 10 would have been more appropriate.

That being said, in some ways I think we really need to wait a while before we start putting guys like Reed, Harrison, or Brown into the category of greatest ever. I think it takes time for people to realize how a player fits into an era. Did the era define him; or did he define the era (such is the case for Jerry Rice).[/QUOTE]

Not to be a nit-picker, but Coryell and Walsh were polar opposites with their passing game philosophies. Coryell favored the vertical, downfield passing while Walsh was known for short passes, hitches, slants, what have you. That's the staple of the "West Coast" offense. Gibbs, Ernie Zampese, Norv Turner, and Mike Martz are all students of the "Air Coryell" offense.

Otherwise, your points are well taken.

Darrell Green was interviewed about Irvin, when Irvin was in prime, and Darrell told how Irvin PUSHED OFF illegally......Guess Irvin doesn't remember what REALLY happened or he wouldn't have chosen himself . :D

Irvin's not the only WR to push off. He's was just good enough at it not to get caught.

[QUOTE=monk81]Darrell Green was interviewed about Irvin, when Irvin was in prime, and Darrell told how Irvin PUSHED OFF illegally......Guess Irvin doesn't remember what REALLY happened or he wouldn't have chosen himself . :D[/QUOTE]