Have We Seen The Last of Archuleta in a Skins Uniform?
 

On behalf of holmester (who can't start a thread of his own yet, I had thought about starting this as well actually)

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/12/AR2007031201380.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

"Redskins Notes: The Redskins faced a deadline yesterday to exercise $5 million options on safety Adam Archuleta, according to league sources, and Lloyd. They executed Lloyd's option, but reached an agreement with Archuleta to push back his deadline. Both players are guaranteed the money in one form or another, but the decision to delay the move for Archuleta could be a bid to buy more time in order to trade or perhaps cut him."

So what does it all mean? Is he on the way out? Are they holding off on the option to see how much some other moves might cost? Is this much ado about nothing?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;287319]So what does it all mean? Is he on the way out? Are they holding off on the option to see how much some other moves might cost? Is this much ado about nothing?[/QUOTE]

Stay tuned for updates on the same [I]warpath[/I] channel at the same [I]warpath[/I] time!!!!


Sorry with all the questions I kinda had to go old school batman there....

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[quote=SmootSmack;287319]On behalf of holmester (who can't start a thread of his own yet, I had thought about starting this as well actually)

[url=http://washingtonpost.com]washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines[/url]

"Redskins Notes: The Redskins faced a deadline yesterday to exercise $5 million options on safety Adam Archuleta, according to league sources, and Lloyd. They executed Lloyd's option, but reached an agreement with Archuleta to push back his deadline. Both players are guaranteed the money in one form or another, but the decision to delay the move for Archuleta could be a bid to buy more time in order to trade or perhaps cut him."

So what does it all mean? Is he on the way out? Are they holding off on the option to see how much some other moves might cost? Is this much ado about nothing?[/quote]Probably the latter. I can't see them taking a significant cap hit unless they restructure Springs' deal and that doesn't look likely at this point.

Definately something to keep our eyes on though.

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[SIZE=2]archuleta played horrible last year, this we all know. however, what most of us know but cant see is the fact that archuleta is as hard a worker off the field as any player in the nfl and regardless of his performance (last year being the worst due to a new system), all of us fans can rest assured that he will bounce back.

my opinion is that he should stay. we'll get nothing for him if we were to trade and cutting him will cost us. if no one else will, i stand by adam and support him, he is a skin isn't he?
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[QUOTE=Redskins8588;287321]Stay tuned for updates on the same [I]warpath[/I] channel at the same [I]warpath[/I] time!!!!


Sorry with all the questions I kinda had to go old school batman there....[/QUOTE]

Haha. I was actually thinking the same thing as I wrote it

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All that money and the cap hit we'd take to cut him, plus our emphasis thus far in the offseason on defense, might as well keep him around to see if we can squeeze some production out of that ridiculous contract he got. Keep in mind people that our entire defense, not just AA, stunk out loud in '06..

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I say keep adam. We cannot absorb a major cap hit , likr the one that comes along with him being cut. and with any luck with our db situation he shud be able to make a difference this year

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I don't understand why people keep saying we can't absorb Arch's cap hit. He has a 9 mil release fee, but is due a 2.5 mil salary. That means it costs the team 6.5 mil to release him. We have 10 million right now. Why did we push back other players salaries and not sign free agents unless we had a plan to release a big cap hit guy? As I have said before, maybe they have a deal in place to trade for Bly and need money for him, or if that doesn't work, they will cut Arch.

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interesting scenario, I'm sure this is done sometimes w/players we just don't hear of it often. It would certainly seem that we're looking at all options, or maybe he & his agent are looking at ways to get him out.

I wonder how much of his play last year could be attributed to the supposed coaching rift between safeties & corners. Granted he's never been a cover guy, but it wouldn't help to have 2 coaches telling you to play 2 different ways. ST also was out of place & bit on a lot of play action fakes.

Loyd better shut up & play ball. I still wouldn't be surprised if he's either benched or let go by season's end.

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AA could be traded to a team who use the cover 2 system and be quite effective (Bears) he has value for us to get picks. It' s not like he was a PR nightmare. I hope we package him with Springs to get houston's 2nd & 3rd round or something

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The only way they should let him out of here is if he gives up bonus money like Lavar did.

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[quote=GoSkins!;287344]I don't understand why people keep saying we can't absorb Arch's cap hit. He has a 9 mil release fee, but is due a 2.5 mil salary. That means it costs the team 6.5 mil to release him. We have 10 million right now. Why did we push back other players salaries and not sign free agents unless we had a plan to release a big cap hit guy? As I have said before, maybe they have a deal in place to trade for Bly and need money for him, or if that doesn't work, they will cut Arch.[/quote]

EXACTLY.

I've been going blue in the face trying to get people to understand this around these parts.

The Skins have cleared $10 million in cap space. Rookies will fit in about $3-$4 million of space. They're clearly preparing to take a big cap hit.

If they kept Springs, he'll cost $7.3 million as his contract stands now. If they trade him, he'll essentially cost us the same thing. So even after trading him, we'll still have $10 million in space. The writing is on the wall; they cleared this cap space to release somebody, absorb the hit now, and clear them off of our troubled 2008 and 2009 books. This move by the Skins in delaying Archuleta's payment is clearly a sign that the team is preparing to make a move.

He's as good as gone in my opinion.

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I think if they're gonna cut him, they just need to go ahead and do it and take the cap this year instead of next. They're gonna need the cap spcae next season.

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[quote=jdlea;287388]I think if they're gonna cut him, they just need to go ahead and do it and take the cap this year instead of next. They're gonna need the cap spcae next season.[/quote]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking is their grand master plan. Clear the space to get Archuleta off the books ASAP.

And people, what's with all this crap about holding out hope that he can still be a player for us? I guess it's been a while since we've seen a Redskins game, but seriously now. The guy SUCKS in coverage. He's totally worthless in our defense.

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It's all relative, it would be crazy to think that AA will suddenly become a guy we can match up on even a #4 wr.
But can he match up w/a TE or play decent zone coverage in the flats? I think there's a chance of that. He consistently got beat by TEs (Witten), but if there was really a problem w/the coaching in the secondary, compounded by him losing his confidence, then it's quite possible that he could rebound to be a decent 2nd team safety at least.

He did suck in 06, no doubt, but as someone else here said, the whole D did. ST & CR both had tough years, CR seemed to take a step back from his rookie year. There were definitely system problems & AA looked the worst. Not to mention, AC hardly showed up till the 2nd half of the year.

I would judge his value based on medical history more so than last year's performance. If he really can't get back to form because of his neck or back injuries (don't know the history there), then it might be best to cut our losses. Also, if he's unhappy & will be bad for team morale.

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[quote=SmootSmack;287319]On behalf of holmester (who can't start a thread of his own yet, I had thought about starting this as well actually)

[url=http://washingtonpost.com]washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines[/url]

"Redskins Notes: The Redskins faced a deadline yesterday to exercise $5 million options on safety Adam Archuleta, according to league sources, and Lloyd. They executed Lloyd's option, but reached an agreement with Archuleta to push back his deadline. Both players are guaranteed the money in one form or another, but the decision to delay the move for Archuleta could be a bid to buy more time in order to trade or perhaps cut him."

So what does it all mean? Is he on the way out? Are they holding off on the option to see how much some other moves might cost? Is this much ado about nothing?[/quote]

There's only one reason I want that man to stay around... and it's how his a*s looks in that all white uniform....

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[quote=freddyg12;287392]It's all relative, it would be crazy to think that AA will suddenly become a guy we can match up on even a #4 wr.
But can he match up w/a TE or play decent zone coverage in the flats? I think there's a chance of that. He consistently got beat by TEs (Witten), but if there was really a problem w/the coaching in the secondary, compounded by him losing his confidence, then it's quite possible that he could rebound to be a decent 2nd team safety at least.

He did suck in 06, no doubt, but as someone else here said, the whole D did. ST & CR both had tough years, CR seemed to take a step back from his rookie year. There were definitely system problems & AA looked the worst. Not to mention, AC hardly showed up till the 2nd half of the year.

I would judge his value based on medical history more so than last year's performance. If he really can't get back to form because of his neck or back injuries (don't know the history there), then it might be best to cut our losses. Also, if he's unhappy & will be bad for team morale.[/quote]

You're dreaming. He got burned by Witten so badly with the game on the line that he flat out got laughed at by Witten. Lucky for Archuleta, Troy Vincent and Nick Novak saved the friggin day.

He's worthless, he'll never play well for us.

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[quote=hesscl34;287397]There's only one reason I want that man to stay around... and it's how his a*s looks in that all white uniform....[/quote]

:postcop:

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i don't believe A.A. cant improve on what was a disaster of a season for him. unless his back is alot worse then he is letting on. i say he gets one more season to make it work. unless the skins can work out a trade, which i don't see happening

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I got so interested in the JC portion that I forgot the part about AA. Let him go. Turn the page. He can't cover his own shadow.

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[quote=Schneed10;287398]You're dreaming. He got burned by Witten so badly with the game on the line that he flat out got laughed at by Witten. Lucky for Archuleta, Troy Vincent and Nick Novak saved the friggin day.

He's worthless, he'll never play well for us.[/quote]

that is so true but he could play well if the d line got more pressure but he will never be a good cover guy cause he is too slow

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i think archuleta will be with us next season unless we get a decent trade offer. i dont think we will cut him

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[quote=Big C;287420]i think archuleta will be with us next season unless we get a decent trade offer. i dont think we will cut him[/quote]

Why not?

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;287421]Why not?[/QUOTE]

i think that some of the coaches think they can make it work, whether or not that is possible i dont know. its a big cap hit also if they cut him, i think they only take the hit if they get something in return

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[quote=Schneed10;287398]You're dreaming. He got burned by Witten so badly with the game on the line that he flat out got laughed at by Witten. Lucky for Archuleta, Troy Vincent and Nick Novak saved the friggin day.

He's worthless, he'll never play well for us.[/quote]

I noted that he got burned by Witten & other TEs regularly last year. He's never been a man to man cover guy, but he's had good years w/the Rams.
My point is, Could it be that having 1 coach tell you to be aggressive in the run game & another tell you that you need to play deeper for coverage had an adverse impact on his coverage? I'd say it did, as was the case w/ST.

As I said, he'll never be a guy we want 1 on 1 w/wr's, but his coverage ability MAY not be as bad as it was last year either.

Finally, I concluded the post saying that it may be a health issue, that while he's healthy enough to play he may never regain his early career form. Anyone that thinks he slow is justified, but the dude did have blazing speed at one time. He does look like he has a hard time turning around in full sprint, almost like he has to turn his back completely around to see the ball.

If that's the case & he's damaged goods, we should definitely move on. Overall, I'd agree that he's not likely to contribute here, but maybe we saw the worst & he'll improve. If not for the bad season that several in our secondary had, I wouldn't say that.

My guess is that the front office is seeing if there's anything they can get for him or any compromise out there, but ultimately we'll be stuck w/him, and might as well try to use him.

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:cheeky-sm [quote=Schneed10;287399]:postcop:[/quote]

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I think we should keep AA.He can still be productive for us..though he sucked last year I have a feeling he will rebound this season.

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I really hope we give Arch another chance, he could be used greatly in certain packages if only GW was smart enough figure that out.

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ARCH CAN'T possibly have a worse season ??? CAN HE ......I say keep him around one more year, use the guy to his strengths. Let's see if we can get something outta this guy.

I'd DUMP that SORRY NO GOOD PIECE OF DUNG,etc., etc..........LLOYD FIRST!

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AA want's out just as bad as we want him out, that is why they have an agreement to extend his bonus, I would be fairly sure that he is willing to kick back money if it lands him with the right team, he knows he's going to get a big check regardless, I just think he was so humilited last season that he has something to prove and knows he can't do it in Williams system, he knows his strengths and weakness's and wasen't used to his strength and from what I can remember he flat out called us liers about the condition of how he would be used when he signed. I think something will get done I just don't think he will bring back anything but some cap relief.

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[quote=Schneed10;287387]EXACTLY.

I've been going blue in the face trying to get people to understand this around these parts.

The Skins have cleared $10 million in cap space. Rookies will fit in about $3-$4 million of space. They're clearly preparing to take a big cap hit.

If they kept Springs, he'll cost $7.3 million as his contract stands now. If they trade him, he'll essentially cost us the same thing. So even after trading him, we'll still have $10 million in space. The writing is on the wall; they cleared this cap space to release somebody, absorb the hit now, and clear them off of our troubled 2008 and 2009 books. This move by the Skins in delaying Archuleta's payment is clearly a sign that the team is preparing to make a move.

He's as good as gone in my opinion.[/quote]David Patten is also a 2 mil or such cap hit and he's like our non-teams playing 4th receiver. I'm not sure pushing back the bonus means anything in light of the fact that he's guarenteed it no matter what.

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[quote=Schneed10;287398]You're dreaming. He got burned by Witten so badly with the game on the line that he flat out got laughed at by Witten. Lucky for Archuleta, Troy Vincent and Nick Novak saved the friggin day.

He's worthless, he'll never play well for us.[/quote]I don't think an average starting caliber safety has the ability to cover the athletic TE in man to man coverage. Lord knows Sean Taylor doesn't.

The reason Archuleta sucked last year was because he was brought in to be a defensive enforcer and he couldn't make a damn tackle. Obviously the dude didn't forget everything he knew about tackling that offseason, so it was very clearly a physical ailment that kept him from doing his job. It's won't be hard for our coaching staff to find out in camp if this ailment is going to create similar problems this year.

I say we don't risk cutting a guy who very plausibly could have been healed by the lack of PT he got down the stretch of the season so he can go somewhere else and be the player he was in STL. We have guys like Lloyd and Patten on the roster who aren't going to improve at all,we should get their salaries off the books while we have a chance.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!;287344]I don't understand why people keep saying we can't absorb Arch's cap hit. He has a 9 mil release fee, but is due a 2.5 mil salary. That means it costs the team 6.5 mil to release him. We have 10 million right now. Why did we push back other players salaries and not sign free agents unless we had a plan to release a big cap hit guy? As I have said before, maybe they have a deal in place to trade for Bly and need money for him, or if that doesn't work, they will cut Arch.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Schneed10;287387]EXACTLY.

I've been going blue in the face trying to get people to understand this around these parts.

The Skins have cleared $10 million in cap space. Rookies will fit in about $3-$4 million of space. They're clearly preparing to take a big cap hit.

If they kept Springs, he'll cost $7.3 million as his contract stands now. If they trade him, he'll essentially cost us the same thing. So even after trading him, we'll still have $10 million in space. The writing is on the wall; they cleared this cap space to release somebody, absorb the hit now, and clear them off of our troubled 2008 and 2009 books. This move by the Skins in delaying Archuleta's payment is clearly a sign that the team is preparing to make a move.

He's as good as gone in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Double true!

It definitely looks like we've freed cap space to take a big deadcap hit, and the only 3 players that logically fit the mold are Arch, Lloyd, and Patten.

[QUOTE=offiss;287567]AA want's out just as bad as we want him out, that is why they have an agreement to extend his bonus, I would be fairly sure that he is willing to kick back money if it lands him with the right team, he knows he's going to get a big check regardless, I just think he was so humilited last season that he has something to prove and knows he can't do it in Williams system, he knows his strengths and weakness's and wasen't used to his strength and from what I can remember he flat out called us liers about the condition of how he would be used when he signed. I think something will get done I just don't think he will bring back anything but some cap relief.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I also think Arch is the guy to go.

However I still think we can get something in a trade for him. Keep in mind this is a guy who LAST year commanded a $10M signing bonus. Obviously we overpaid, but if we didn't someone else would have surely given him $5M-$7M at least.

This is the same guy that can now be had for the LEAGUE MINIMUM in 2007. And his salary for 2008 is only $1M. And the acquiring team doesn't have to give him any signing bonus or any bonus whatsoever on top of his salary. And the acquiring team can cut him at any time for a deadcap hit of ZERO if things don't work out.

Is this not worth something to someone? Can a player's stock fall so far in one year?

My money's on a trade to the Bears. They wanted him bad last year, plus their D is good enough that Arch won't have to do too much. And like offiss suggested, maybe Arch would even give back some of the money to play for the defending NFC champs.

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[quote=hesscl34;287397]There's only one reason I want that man to stay around... and it's how his a*s looks in that all white uniform....[/quote]

I think I'm gonna PUKE. :benched: Kinda looks like ARCH?

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;287577]Double true!

It definitely looks like we've freed cap space to take a big deadcap hit, and the only 3 players that logically fit the mold are Arch, Lloyd, and Patten.



Agreed. I also think Arch is the guy to go.

However I still think we can get something in a trade for him. Keep in mind this is a guy who LAST year commanded a $10M signing bonus. Obviously we overpaid, but if we didn't someone else would have surely given him $5M-$7M at least.

This is the same guy that can now be had for the LEAGUE MINIMUM in 2007. And his salary for 2008 is only $1M. And the acquiring team doesn't have to give him any signing bonus or any bonus whatsoever on top of his salary. And the acquiring team can cut him at any time for a deadcap hit of ZERO if things don't work out.

Is this not worth something to someone? Can a player's stock fall so far in one year?

My money's on a trade to the Bears. They wanted him bad last year, plus their D is good enough that Arch won't have to do too much. And like offiss suggested, maybe Arch would even give back some of the money to play for the defending NFC champs.[/quote]

A trade with the Bears is possibly,due to Lovie.
But his stock fell so far, I thought it was Black Friday!
I would much rather see them keep this kid one more year. Use him to his strengths and so how he does, it can't be any worse. He MIGHT suprise??
Give Lloyd a one way ticket to nowhere.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;287587]A trade with the Bears is possibly,due to Lovie.
But his stock fell so far, I thought it was Black Friday!
I would much rather see them keep this kid one more year. Use him to his strengths and so how he does, it can't be any worse. He MIGHT suprise??
Give Lloyd a one way ticket to nowhere.[/quote]I agree. Give Lloyd's roster spot (and Patten's) to an up and coming receiver who could someday start for us. A guy with some potential.

6 million is a lot to pay to cut your options at the safety position.

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[quote=GTripp0012;287594]I agree. Give Lloyd's roster spot (and Patten's) to an up and coming receiver who could someday start for us. A guy with some potential.

6 million is a lot to pay to cut your options at the safety position.[/quote]


ok arch will be with the team next year and he better produce or something will happen to arch hahahahahahahahahahaha REALLY!!!!!!!!! j/k but he better produce all that damn money we are paying him and same goes for brandon lloyd disapointing bastards got me excited for nothing last year

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;287601]ok arch will be with the team next year and he better produce or something will happen to arch hahahahahahahahahahaha REALLY!!!!!!!!! j/k but he better produce all that damn money we are paying him and same goes for brandon lloyd disapointing bastards got me excited for nothing last year[/quote]Well, Archuleta, nor Lloyd, nor Randle El, nor Carter will ever be able to play well enough to justify their deals. They just simply aren't good enough. However, of that list, Archuleta has had the best career so far. So if I'm trying to make arguments to justify the deals, Arch would be the guy I could best do it for.

Archuleta simply has to prove to me that he can still tackle. If he comes back next year and starts popping some heads, we don't have a better second safety option on this team. Worst case scenario, give the job to Prioleau and have an experienced backup.

We would be wise to eliminate the contracts of Lloyd and Patten from the books, take the cap hits this year, and replace them with some young, cheap talented receivers who can play special teams.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;287594]I agree. Give Lloyd's roster spot (and Patten's) to an up and coming receiver who could someday start for us. A guy with some potential.

6 million is a lot to pay to cut your options at the safety position.[/QUOTE]

I must be the only one left (beside Lloyd's mama) who thinks Lloyd still has upside and potential. I wouldn't give up on him just yet

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[quote=GTripp0012;287609]Well, Archuleta, nor Lloyd, nor Randle El, nor Carter will ever be able to play well enough to justify their deals. They just simply aren't good enough. However, of that list, Archuleta has had the best career so far. So if I'm trying to make arguments to justify the deals, Arch would be the guy I could best do it for.

Archuleta simply has to prove to me that he can still tackle. If he comes back next year and starts popping some heads, we don't have a better second safety option on this team. Worst case scenario, give the job to Prioleau and have an experienced backup.

We would be wise to eliminate the contracts of Lloyd and Patten from the books, take the cap hits this year, and replace them with some young, cheap talented receivers who can play special teams.[/quote]


we are not going to replace lloyd just yet invested to much in him and all those guys will be much better next year and recievers who can play special teams would be all right i guess but jimoh sellers and khary campbell are great special team players