Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

Cam Newton is a machine.
Imagine if Lina had a killer defense.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

[quote=mooby;837246]Props again to Cam Newton for his big game against the Packers, although he did throw 3 picks. Clearly he has the tools to be an effective qb. And for the 2nd week in a row, Ryan Kerrigan will have a hard time winning the Rookie of the Week award.[/quote]

Rookie of the Year is usually reserved for QB's that can manage a QB rating over 80 and running backs.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

900 yards in 2 games.. Yeah he's for real

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[quote=Dirtbag59;837257]Rookie of the Year is usually reserved for QB's that can manage a QB rating over 80 and running backs.[/quote]

I'm just talking about the award for this week lol, there's a long way to go before ROTY starts being mentioned. With that said, both Kerrigan and Newton have had an impressive 2 weeks to start their career.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;837245]As I said before, I feel bad for any team in the NFC South. Ryan, Brees, Freeman, and now Newton arriving way ahead of schedule.[/quote]

In terms of QBs, they have surpassed the NFC North. Too bad all of their defenses are worse than the defenses in the NFC North.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;837259]900 yards in 2 games.. Yeah he's for real[/quote]

400 yards in a game doesn't mean diddly squat if you throw 3 Ints.

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[quote=NC_Skins;837295]400 yards in a game doesn't mean diddly squat if you throw 3 Ints.[/quote]

It sure as hell does if your a rookie going against a top 5 defense who are the SB champs, and everyone said you couldnt sling it coming out of the draft haha. Rookies throw pics, there correctable.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

Yards don't matter if you have 3 picks.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

[quote=NC_Skins;837295]400 yards in a game doesn't mean diddly squat if you throw 3 Ints.[/quote]
CAM NEWTON hater LOL

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

[quote=hooskins;837334]Yards don't matter if you have 3 picks.[/quote]

Thats true most of the time. But in cam newtons case, they do. Ppl thought he couldnt even throw the ball nevermind carve up a defense as good as GB. He may have some lapses in judgement that led to 3 int, but one was a tipped ball as well. Regardless the guy threw for 400 plus yards 2 weeks in a row on a team that was the worst team in the nfl last year. Give props when there due. Dont be that guy.

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[quote=NC_Skins;837295]400 yards in a game doesn't mean diddly squat if you throw 3 Ints.[/quote]

Lame bro.

Where were you last week?

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

[quote=NC_Skins;837295]400 yards in a game doesn't mean diddly squat if you throw 3 Ints.[/quote]

It does matter if you are a rookie.

All rookies with throw interceptions, even Peyton Manning. But other rookies don't throw for 400 yards on back-to-back weeks.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

3 picks when throwing for 400 yards is definitely not a good sign, but throwing for 400 yards two weeks in a row (and the 2nd week against a good defense like GB's) shows that he has at minimum a basic understanding of how to read defense and find open receivers. So in effect it's showing that he's definitely ahead of where we expected him to be right now.

Now the 3 interceptions show he still makes bad decisions, even though 1 of those was apparently a receivers' fault (going from the earlier post in this thread). But the int's are correctable, and should be fixed as he improves. At the minimum he is showing the talent that made him worthy of being taken #1 overall. Look at how he plays now and then think about where he'll be in 3 years with a better understanding of the system and more talent around him.

Long story short, Cam Newton is not who we thought he was. I figured he'd be slightly better, if not just as bad, as Jimmy Clausen was last year, but he's quickly erased that misconception. He's shown that he has the talent worthy of being considered a playmaker down the road.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

[quote=mooby;837380]....Long story short, Cam Newton is not who [U][I][B][COLOR="Sienna"]we[/COLOR][/B][/I][/U] thought he was.[/quote]You must be using the [I]we[/I] singular (j/k) ;)

Cam is who I thought he was.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

i was out at a sports bar today and was watching newton. yeah he made some terrible reads, threw into double coverage a few times, but so did grossman and he's been in the league a hell of a lot longer. it's his first two games in the nfl in a pro style offense and he's had back to back 400+ games. has any other rookie in the history of the nfl done this? hell no. and it's not like he's throwing to the posse. most experts were predicting that he was going to fall on his face. i thought he was going to fall on his face. the guy is the real deal. end of discussion.

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[quote=NC_Skins;837295]400 yards in a game doesn't mean diddly squat if you throw 3 Ints.[/quote]Especially when you lose.....CAR 0 - 2. As I said last week, let's not annoint Newton yet. CAR was only 11 runs / 18yds, outside of Newton. Newton was also sacked 4 times. You cannot rely on one guy and if CAR continues to do that, Newton will likely not last the season.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

Kid seems to be the real deal so far.

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has a player ever thrown for 400 yards his first 2 starts in the NFL? (and one against the ex superbowl champs?) I think not. Guy is good. Imagine if he had a good defense and more than one capable receiver, guy would kill it. I hate to say it, but imagine if he was here along with all of our young talent and Kyle Shanahan. We would have something very very special.

Needless to say, i am very surprised that he is rocking it like this. I hope he keeps it up.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

[quote=mooby;837380]3 picks when throwing for 400 yards is definitely not a good sign, but throwing for 400 yards two weeks in a row (and the 2nd week against a good defense like GB's) shows that he has at minimum a basic understanding of how to read defense and find open receivers. So in effect it's showing that he's definitely ahead of where we expected him to be right now.

Now the 3 interceptions show he still makes bad decisions, even though 1 of those was apparently a receivers' fault (going from the earlier post in this thread). But the int's are correctable, and should be fixed as he improves. At the minimum he is showing the talent that made him worthy of being taken #1 overall. Look at how he plays now and then think about where he'll be in 3 years with a better understanding of the system and more talent around him.

Long story short, Cam Newton is not who we thought he was. I figured he'd be slightly better, if not just as bad, as Jimmy Clausen was last year, but he's quickly erased that misconception. He's shown that he has the talent worthy of being considered a playmaker down the road.[/quote]

Ditto! This is what I think of him.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

[quote=mooby;837380]3 picks when throwing for 400 yards is definitely not a good sign, but throwing for 400 yards two weeks in a row (and the 2nd week against a good defense like GB's) shows that he has at minimum a basic understanding of how to read defense and find open receivers. So in effect it's showing that he's definitely ahead of where we expected him to be right now.

Now the 3 interceptions show he still makes bad decisions, even though 1 of those was apparently a receivers' fault (going from the earlier post in this thread). But the int's are correctable, and should be fixed as he improves. At the minimum he is showing the talent that made him worthy of being taken #1 overall. Look at how he plays now and then think about where he'll be in 3 years with a better understanding of the system and more talent around him.

Long story short, Cam Newton is [B]not who we thought he was[/B]. I figured he'd be slightly better, if not just as bad, as Jimmy Clausen was last year, but he's quickly erased that misconception. He's shown that he has the talent worthy of being considered a playmaker down the road.[/quote]

Fair enough. I should give the guy some credit, but [B]I don't want to crown him [/B]just yet.

I also take the 300-400 yard games with a grain of salt, since everyone is putting them up. I have heard some interesting theories about how a lockout could actually help offenses. Limited contact practices were a by-product, which hurts defenses due to minimal full contact reps. Not saying that is a fact, but interesting theory.

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[quote=hooskins;837447]Fair enough. I should give the guy some credit, but [B]I don't want to crown him [/B]just yet.

I also take the 300-400 yard games with a grain of salt, since everyone is putting them up. I have heard some interesting theories about how a lockout could actually help offenses. Limited contact practices were a by-product, which hurts defenses due to minimal full contact reps. Not saying that is a fact, but interesting theory.[/quote]

W/out question the defenses are just awful. Throwing for 300 yards isn't a big deal anymore. But still, Newtown made some great throws yesterday and 2 of those picks were just outstanding plays by Woodson.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

It's been 5 games now for Cam and he continues to prove idiots like me wrong... Seriously

10 Total Tds and 1600 passing yards is incredible for a 22 year old rookie.

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I think Cam fell into the right situation. Small market team with not many expectations due to the team being in full on rebuild mode. Even if they have a losing record this year, with another round of draft picks and free agency (and avoiding the sophomore slump), the Panthers can become in the NFC South next year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;846200]I think Cam fell into the right situation. Small market team with not many expectations due to the team being in full on rebuild mode. Even if they have a losing record this year, with another round of draft picks and free agency (and avoiding the sophomore slump), the Panthers can become in the NFC South next year.[/quote]

Good situation or not, rookie QBs did not throw for yards at the pace Newton is throwing at. Sure, some of it is his coordinator being really good, but the QB has to still make plays, and Newton has been making them.

Besides, I think Carolina looked really bad because of poor QB play and their prior offense being rather simplistic. The rest of the team might not have been THAT bad talentw-se. They now have a more dynamic offense and seem to have found their QB.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

IDC where u play when drafted 1 you have a TON of pressure and CAM has shown how good he will be IMO

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If I were Clausen I wouldn't buy a house in Charlotte right now.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;846204]Good situation or not, rookie QBs did not throw for yards at the pace Newton is throwing at. Sure, some of it is his coordinator being really good, but the QB has to still make plays, and Newton has been making them.

Besides, I think Carolina looked really bad because of poor QB play and their prior offense being rather simplistic. The rest of the team might not have been THAT bad talentw-se. They now have a more dynamic offense and seem to have found their QB.[/quote]

I guess I was talking more in regards to the off the field. Because of the whole scandal involving his dad, he was pretty much under a microscope throughout the end of his college career and during the offseason. Had he gone to a big market team, he would have continue to be under that microscope, and who knows how that would have affected him.

Newton has a ton of ability and is very gifted physically. He has obviously shown the commitment that many pundits thought he would not. And I feel that being in a small market has freed him from some of the outside pressures and allow him to focus on the game.

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I'll eat another slice of Cam Crow pie, but I'm not really going to believe anything until about year 2 or 3. I'd say the same thing with any QB really. I think the real test will be the last half of this season or the first half of next. New coach, offense, so there isn't game tape on them. Yet.

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[quote=Ruhskins;846222] Had he gone to a big market team, he would have continue to be under that microscope, and who knows how that would have affected him.[/quote]Yeah, um I'm gonna disagree with you on this one.
I don't think the spotlight gets much hotter then not only being a SEC QB at Auburn but being in national spotlight for pay for play scandal while en route to an undefeated national championship season.

I'm gonna wager a wild guess and say that Cam handles pressure pretty okay.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

Cam has definitely far surpassed my expectations of what I thought he could do right away as a rookie. He's far more polished as a QB than I expected. Carolina seems to have a bright future with him.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

He is a pretty good talent. I definitely thought he would be a dud. He is a great personality and has the game on the field to back.

And he has awesome pearly whites. Weird that I notice that? Perhaps I was a dentist in a past life.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

I am from Charlotte and getting caught up in the Cam Newton phenom. He is a pleasant surprise. Now waiting for Tebow!! Go Tebow!!! I am begining to think these so called pro system college QBs are being hurt by running a pro style offense in college. The difference in speed between college and the pros makes their so-called pro style offense experience a moot point.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

[quote=Gary84Clark;846381]I am from Charlotte and getting caught up in the Cam Newton phenom. He is a pleasant surprise. Now waiting for Tebow!! Go Tebow!!! I am begining to think these so called pro system college QBs are being hurt by running a pro style offense in college. The difference in speed between college and the pros makes their so-called pro style offense experience a moot point.[/quote]

That's actually not a bad point, I still think college players who play in pro style offenses in college have a better chance to succeed in the NFL....but playing in a pro style in college is so different from the pros because of the speed that maybe its not that big of an advantage.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

[quote=Gary84Clark;846381]I am from Charlotte and getting caught up in the Cam Newton phenom. He is a pleasant surprise. Now waiting for Tebow!! Go Tebow!!! I am begining to think these so called pro system college QBs are being hurt by running a pro style offense in college. The difference in speed between college and the pros makes their so-called pro style offense experience a moot point.[/quote]

The spread offense is beginning to show up in the NFL now, so the "pro style" offense is not necessarily a requirement any more.

The Lions are a team who runs it very well at the pro level.

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i think u can run any offense if u have Megatron

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[quote=Jontrem;846385]That's actually not a bad point, I still think college players who play in pro style offenses in college have a better chance to succeed in the NFL....but playing in a pro style in college is so different from the pros because of the speed that maybe its not that big of an advantage.[/quote]

I was just thinking about Brady Quinn and Claussen. They just do not have the talent. They can read defenses and they know what they want to do, but their bodies just can't get it done.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

[quote=Gary84Clark;846400]I was just thinking about Brady Quinn and Claussen. They just do not have the talent. They can read defenses and they know what they want to do, but their bodies just can't get it done.[/quote]

I'd say it's the other way around. Lots of guys have the physical talent, but it's their mental makeups that hold them back. You have to be able to process a lot of info very quickly and make the correct decisions.

Re: Mad props to Cam Newton
 

[quote=Mattyk;846403]I'd say it's the other way around. Lots of guys have the physical talent, but it's their mental makeups that hold them back. You have to be able to process a lot of info very quickly and make the correct decisions.[/quote]

I agree, I just consider that "mental make up" to be a talent. One of the talents needed. There are physical talents and mental talents.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;846406]I agree, I just consider that "mental make up" to be a talent. One of the talents needed. There are physical talents and mental talents.[/quote]

I agree, but you said their bodies can't get it done.

Quinn and Clausen both have the physical talents to get it done as far as arm, size, strength, etc. But the mental part of their game doesn't appear to be there.

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[quote=Mattyk;846407]I agree, but you said their bodies can't get it done.

Quinn and Clausen both have the physical talents to get it done as far as arm, size, strength, etc. But the mental part of their game doesn't appear to be there.[/quote]

Interesting i saw it the opposite way.