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[quote=GMScud;768889]I don't know who broke it, but I heard it on the 12pm SportsCenter. Probably around 12:15-12:30 was the first I heard Mort mention it.

I know this, if McNabb isn't on the roster next year, I'll be blasting Shanahan for this disastrous trade. If we he's not back in B&G, the first signature move of his regime will be repeating the EXACT same behavior that has doomed this franchise for a decade. Not good.

Side note- does anyone think we're going to go into Dallas and win this week? If I had to guess, we get throttled pretty good, regardless of who is taking snaps for us. We're a hot mess right now.[/quote]
Mmmhmm. But, at least there's still hope he's here by then. But, there's no hope of getting rid of his balls in the dirt. Or his periodic inaccuracy. :D
(Boy, that came out wrong. hehehe)

BTW, I'm pretty sure it's safe to project Nate Allen as having a higher ceiling than Kareem Moore.

Oh, I'm sure Dallas will pull a Philly/NY combo. By that, I mean they destroy us in EVERY FACET of the game. Even Buehler goes perfect.

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I hear u buster lol

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ThHe [quote=SmootSmack;768891]Probably a bigger deal being made out of this than need be. There's been a chance of Grossman starting/playing for a few weeks now. But as long as we had a shot at the playoffs, McNabb was going to be the guy. Now that we're eliminated the need to play McNabb (and keep Landry off IR) isn't really all that pressing.

I don't believe whether DM5 plays or not on Sunday really has any bearing on what they do with him during the off-season. I believe he comes back for another year[/quote]

I just don't follow that logic. You either finish with your guy on a competitive note or you don't. Why fuel uneccassary speculation and put your team through yet another off season saga. Either Shanny has poor PR skills, which he does, or there's something to Rex possibly starting. The mere fact that we are discussing this, doesn't bode well for McNabb.

And how much more disconnected could Shanny be by pulling his starting QB during Dallas week with a chance to stay out of the cellar of the NFC EAST?

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[quote=GMScud;768889]I know this, if McNabb isn't on the roster next year, I'll be blasting Shanahan for this disastrous trade. If we he's not back in B&G, the first signature move of his regime will be repeating the EXACT same behavior that has doomed this franchise for a decade. Not good.

Side note- does anyone think we're going to go into Dallas and win this week? If I had to guess, we get throttled pretty good, regardless of who is taking snaps for us. We're a hot mess right now.[/quote]I think we'll beat Dallas this week. I happen to not think we'll beat either Jacksonville or the Giants, but I think Dallas' "improvement" under Garrett is mostly a mirage caused by the Phillips era ending after a terrible road loss to the Packers. I'll give it up for Jon Kitna, who has played really well in relief of Romo. This is still a bad team, though.

On McNabb/Shanahan: are we really going to wait to lambast the trade? It was pretty indefensible the day it was made, but at least we could say "let it play out" to see if maybe we got to the playoffs and did some damage there because of a veteran QB. Obviously, that didn't happen, but we knew we'd be out at least a second and a fourth, and that, essentially, the rebuilding wasn't beginning until at least 2011 because of it.

Fine, if you are going to do that win now bs, don't alienate your best defensive player and cut all your offensive line depth because you need more roster spots. The rebuilding hasn't started yet, and all we lost was a season.

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[quote=12thMan;768912]ThHe

I just don't follow that logic. You either finish with your guy on a competitive note or you don't. Why fuel uneccassary speculation and put your team through yet another off season saga. Either Shanny has poor PR skills, which he does, or there's something to Rex possibly starting. The mere fact that we are discussing this, doesn't bode well for McNabb.

And how much more disconnected could Shanny be by pulling his starting QB during Dallas week with a chance to stay out of the cellar of the NFC EAST?[/quote]

Yeah I don't know really. I think McNabb will start quite honestly. But who can say for sure.

I wonder if there's a financial issue at play here. I know he wouldn't get a game day bonus if he's not active (not sure what that amount is). And one of the provisions for the Eagles to get our 3rd (and not our 4th) was for McNabb to participate in at least 70% of the offensive snaps.

Although I think it was 70% plus the Redskins had to have a winning record. Plus, what does it really matter since we don't have our 3rd and 4th regardless of who gets the picks between the Saints and the Eagles

Just wish we still had Chase...

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[quote=GTripp0012;768913]I think we'll beat Dallas this week. I happen to not think we'll beat either Jacksonville or the Giants, but I think Dallas' "improvement" under Garrett is mostly a mirage caused by the Phillips era ending after a terrible road loss to the Packers. I'll give it up for Jon Kitna, who has played really well in relief of Romo. This is still a bad team, though.
[/quote]

If they're that bad, why didn't we score an offensive touchdown on them in the season opener? I don't think we're going to come out alive without scoring TDs on offense.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;768916]If they're that bad, why didn't we score an offensive touchdown on them in the season opener? I don't think we're going to come out alive without scoring TDs on offense.[/quote]Well, since we've thrown a TD in every game since then, if you're looking for the outlier passing performance, you've probably found it.

They are really bad, particularly on that side of the ball. The best three week run for their defense was Weeks 1-3. Post bye, they've been every bit as bad of a defense as Denver or the Texans. I get the feeling that a 20 point "outburst" probably gets it done for us this week.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;768900]I hear u buster lol[/quote]
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McNabb gives us a better chance to win, so I hope he starts Sunday. No need to see what Sexy Rexy has, he has nothing and we know this from his previous starting experience. If this is something not performance/health related, then w/e, it's out of our hands. All the same though I don't want to see Sexy Rexy playing at all.

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[quote=GTripp0012;768881]I think we can take for granted that we're using one of our top two picks on a QB, but like last year, I think we go in a very different direction if we take a QB in the top ten/twelve, vs. taking the best available in the second round.

I think, obviously, this team needs a lot of help, certainly some on the OL as well. But we largely ignored the defense last year. I'm thinking if we go the first two rounds of the draft and add no immediate help, there's not going to be a defensive rebound despite all the talent we have on that side of the ball.

Unrelated note: would you actually extend a 35 year old Fletcher? He's going to be in the last year of his contract next season (and one year older, 36).[/quote]

I wouldn't extend Fletcher, let his deal run out and figure things out then.

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]This is a great idea. The season is over. We need to decide who are going to be players for us in the future. McNabb is obviously the best QB on the team but he has problems staying healthy for a full season so having a solid number 2 that’s ready to go with actual playing time is really important. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]I hope the rest of the season is used to evaluate players and formations that actually work on our team. Double check and make sure Torrian is the real deal again this Sunday, then for the rest of the season find out if we have anything special in Davis and Williams. Have Banks line up at receiver. Actually use 2 tight end sets. Start Eric Cook at guard. Start anyone but Rabech at center. Try Heyer at guard again. Play Kevin Barnes and Macho Harris. Get Darrell Young more involved. [/COLOR][/FONT]

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Put in Rex .. WTF are you people talking about .. how about GANO makes a chip shot or an extra point .. RILEY doesn't get a block in the back call vs Vikings and we are right in the playoff hunt .. let DM 5 finish this thing out strong .. let's finish 7-9 or 8-8 ... considering we were 4-12 last year that's solid ... no need to **** with DM head anymore .. he's our guy for at least 3 years .. deal with it

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When was the last time this team actually had a 1st and 2nd round pick in the same draft? Seems like forever ago.

2010: 1 first, no second
2009: 1 first, no second
2008: no first, 3 second
2007: 1 first, no second
2006: no first, 1 second
2005: 2 first, no second
2004: 1 first, no second
2003: no first, 1 second
2002: 1 first, 1 second

Wow. 8 years since we've had a first and a second in the same draft. Lets take a look at what those most recent expendable 2nd round picks cost us:
2010 - D.Mac
2009 - Jason Taylor
If D.Mac leaves this offseason, then we'll have wasted 2 consecutive 2nd round picks on 1 year rentals. That's not how you build a team.

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Also here are a couple recent QBs that faced some advisity (sucked) in their careers and then came back from it

Rich Gannon
Steve Young
Mike Vick
Vinny Testaverde
Kurt Warner
Patrick Ramsey (just wait)

This has probably been the toughest year for me as a fan, but one thing ive learned is to not necessarily count a player out because of poor performance when used improperly. I mean look at how horrible our defense is. You would think there are only 5 or 6 starting caliber players on defense, which is completely true in our 3-4, but completely not true in a tightly controlled 4-3. Square peg / round hole thing. Maybe McNabb is a square peg in our offense, maybe Grossman was a square peg in Chicago’s offense.

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Love the Ramsey nod .. that along with your Lavar Arrington #56 avatar I feel like the ol' ball coach is back in town ..'we going to pitch it, and catch it'

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[quote=Mattyk;768879]Going by his contract "extension" next year is definitely not a lock.

That said I'd rather keep him, bolster the OL and add some more weapons than start over at QB again.[/quote]

I'd rather keep him while finding an actual QB prospect to groom for the future. Not some 6th round pick but an honest to God first round talent. Mallet and Locker seem to fit the bill, with a slight edge to Locker going on account of his mobility.

Of course if I could hand pick a QB I would take Andrew Luck. That guy is going to be ridiculously good. The type of good that won't have to worry to much about what system he's in or who he has around him. He will be competing with Ryan for the title of best QB for his generation hence why we'll never be in position to draft him.

Anyway before you guys get on me about drafting a QB over a receiver, nose tackle, or lineman remember this. Vincent Jackson will be a free agent next offseason. There are no pure nose tackles that should be drafted before round 4. And all the interior lineman won't start getting picked until the second round.

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[quote=Buster;768897]It would be different if we had John Skelton or an unproven rookie we drafted with a plan for the future. We KNOW what Rex can do, even this season...and it's not pretty. He has no unlocked potential or upside, only the high chance for a catastrpohic meltdown![/quote]

I have no opinion about the whole McNabb Grossman thing but I agree, it's really depressing that we're in the position to be testing out over the hill back ups at QB as opposed to a young stud QB that could be the future. Not Good.

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[quote=DCtoAZ;768955]Put in Rex .. WTF are you people talking about .. how about GANO makes a chip shot or an extra point .. RILEY doesn't get a block in the back call vs Vikings and we are right in the playoff hunt .. let DM 5 finish this thing out strong .. let's finish 7-9 or 8-8 ... considering we were 4-12 last year that's solid ... no need to **** with DM head anymore .. he's our guy for at least 3 years .. deal with it[/quote]

how about dan snyder never buys the team and we have five more super bowl rings? the only thing dmac is finishing strong is his giant bowl of campbell's chunky beef stew his mom whipped up for him.

i don't know how you can say we can finish at 7-9 or 8-8 and be serious. you need to sit back take a deep breath and realize that this team is not good and hasn't been for a while. there is no one player that we can buy this offseason and make a playoff run. if we finish 8-8 next year thats gonna be a pretty good year.

and unless you have heard somthing no one else has, i don't know why you would say dmac is our guy for the next three years and to deal with it, if i were placing a bet i would say the chances of him returning for next year are about 75%, if you think it's a lock you are kidding yourself, have you seen the cardinls or vikings play this year?

as for the sexy rexy start i don't see how it could be a bad thing, dmac isn't a rookie he knows what he has accomplished in the league, him missing a game or two to see what a back up has is not going to mess with his head. i'm with pistol petes point of view, if they haven't played this year or if there is a formation we haven't tried out yet, do it! we have nothing to lose. imo the next few games should be a try-out kind of like the bucs entire season was last year.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;768961]I'd rather keep him while finding an actual QB prospect to groom for the future. Not some 6th round pick but an honest to God first round talent. Mallet and Locker seem to fit the bill, with a slight edge to Locker going on account of his mobility.

Of course if I could hand pick a QB I would take Andrew Luck. That guy is going to be ridiculously good. The type of good that won't have to worry to much about what system he's in or who he has around him. He will be competing with Ryan for the title of best QB for his generation hence why we'll never be in position to draft him.

Anyway before you guys get on me about drafting a QB over a receiver, nose tackle, or lineman remember this. Vincent Jackson will be a free agent next offseason. There are no pure nose tackles that should be drafted before round 4. And all the interior lineman won't start getting picked until the second round.[/quote]

cam newton!!! :towel: honestly though i wouldn't be pissed if we got him. at this point the way the team is and the low draft pick we will probably have i think we should pull a vinny and go for bpa. when you really think about it we could use a play maker at any single play maker position, rb, wr, qb, saftey, ilb, olb, punter, the list just goes on...

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[quote=12thMan;768896]It's possible they both broke it within minutes of each other. I'm starting to not even care what Shanny does to be honest. I swear, I just don't care for the guy.[/quote]

I feel the same way about Shanny. I think he has a history of being a very good coach. Personnel-wise... well, he drafted Maurice Clarett and wet the bed on the McNabb trade, among other debacles.

It's funny, we bring in this new regime, get a sense that maybe Snyder has finally learned his lessons, and yet I've felt more distant as fan from the Skins than I ever have in my life. This is the first season where I've actually really laughed at some of our losses rather than getting annoyed or letting it ruin my afternoon. I'm simply unaffected by them this year (I do still crap on them in gameday threads. What can I say? Old habits die hard :) ).

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[quote=mlmdub130;768964]cam newton!!! :towel: honestly though i wouldn't be pissed if we got him. at this point the way the team is and the low draft pick we will probably have i think we should pull a vinny and go for bpa. when you really think about it we could use a play maker at any single play maker position, rb, wr, qb, saftey, ilb, olb, punter, the list just goes on...[/quote]

Cam Newton to me is a Tebow, Vince Young hybrid. I'd much rather have the guys that came from a pro system. Plus do we really want another QB from Auburn :D

On top of that Cam Newton gives me the creeps. Everytime I see him I'm reminded of Chris Brown
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I have a $100 riding on this game so who every is OK to play better be out there busting their ass and it is Dallas.

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[quote=GMScud;768965]I feel the same way about Shanny. I think he has a history of being a very good coach. Personnel-wise... well, he drafted Maurice Clarett and wet the bed on the McNabb trade, among other debacles.

It's funny, we bring in this new regime, get a sense that maybe Snyder has finally learned his lessons, and yet I've felt more distant as fan from the Skins than I ever have in my life. This is the first season where I've actually really laughed at some of our losses rather than getting annoyed or letting it ruin my afternoon. I'm simply unaffected by them this year (I do still crap on them in gameday threads. What can I say? Old habits die hard :) ).[/quote]

Anyone who's been in the biz long enough has misses to go along with hits. Don't forget he drafted Terrell Davis, Trevor Pryce, Al Wilson, Shannon Sharpe, and hit big time on an undrafted FA in Rod Smith.

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[quote=GTripp0012;768878]Oh, and I don't think McNabb will be back. I think we'll be able to deal his contract for a 5th round pick to one of the many teams who needs a passer.

I think Cincinnati would be the favorite right now.[/quote]

I agree with you on this. I really don't think he's going to be back. It's painfully obvious that the Shanahans don't like the guy and I don't blame them. He's freakin' terrible and Philly knew what they were doing and got over on us. After watching Jackson last night I would think Minnesota might be in on a trade. Maybe...

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[quote=GMScud;768965]I feel the same way about Shanny. I think he has a history of being a very good coach. Personnel-wise... well, he drafted Maurice Clarett and wet the bed on the McNabb trade, among other debacles.

It's funny, we bring in this new regime, get a sense that maybe Snyder has finally learned his lessons, and yet I've felt more distant as fan from the Skins than I ever have in my life. This is the first season where I've actually really laughed at some of our losses rather than getting annoyed or letting it ruin my afternoon. I'm simply unaffected by them this year (I do still crap on them in gameday threads. What can I say? Old habits die hard :) ).[/quote]

i could not agree with you any more, it is the EXACT same way i feel. i missed two home games this year, first time in atleast 7 years, and it really didn't matter. this has been a really weird year as a fan, it's hard to describe it, i just feel numb towards the team. i hope some how this really does work out, but i really just don't see it happening.

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[quote=Buster;768883]Dallas week should never be evaluation week. We must win.[/quote]

I don't think anybody on Dallas' team nor the Redskins give a crap about this "rivalry" as much as the fans do.

The rivalry died a long time ago.

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[quote=Mattyk;768947][url=http://twitter.com/kjohnsoncsn/status/14762004380131328]Twitter / Kelli Johnson: In response to Mortenson's ...[/url][/quote]


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[quote=GMScud;768965]I feel the same way about Shanny. I think he has a history of being a very good coach. [B]Personnel-wise... well, he drafted Maurice Clarett and wet the bed on the McNabb trade, among other debacles.[/B]

It's funny, we bring in this new regime, get a sense that maybe Snyder has finally learned his lessons, and yet I've felt more distant as fan from the Skins than I ever have in my life. This is the first season where I've actually really laughed at some of our losses rather than getting annoyed or letting it ruin my afternoon. I'm simply unaffected by them this year (I do still crap on them in gameday threads. What can I say? Old habits die hard :) ).[/quote]

For whatever reason, Shanny somehow gets a bum rap about personnel and drafts. I just don't think it's as bad as people think.

Here's a [URL="http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/nfl/2010/12/thom-loverro-shanahan-no-rough-draft"]column[/URL] by Thom Loverro that talks about his last four drafts. If only our previous front office had that type of success...

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[quote=Mattyk;768972]Anyone who's been in the biz long enough has misses to go along with hits. Don't forget he drafted Terrell Davis, Trevor Pryce, Al Wilson, Shannon Sharpe, and hit big time on an undrafted FA in Rod Smith.[/quote]

Yeah Matty I don't think it's just draft picks or having a good track record. Let's face it, we've brought in a ton of guys with sterling track records that have been utter failures here. Heck, Vinny Cerrato nailed some really good picks for the Skins.

Shanahan just doesn't seem to be on his game for all the dough he's getting. I get the sense that he's disciplined and tough, but not really on his game. There's no other way around it. I think when people try to figure out what's needling Redskins fans, the first thing they say is we're impatient or this guy needs time, etc. Shanahan bought in a bunch of retreads at RB, shuffled the oline all season long, and has been up and down with McNabb. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Really, there hasn't been all that much difference between him and Jim Zorn if you ask me. If you strip away the Super Bowl trophies, no reasonable person could convince me there has been any improvement at all. For $7 mil per year, I expected a little more.

Sometimes I just get the feeling that he and Kyle are just tinkering with the team on the fly.

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[quote=Mattyk;768972]Anyone who's been in the biz long enough has misses to go along with hits. Don't forget he drafted Terrell Davis, Trevor Pryce, Al Wilson, Shannon Sharpe, and hit big time on an undrafted FA in Rod Smith.[/quote]

No shit, people always want to bring the negatives out, the Guy is a damn good coach and he WILL make folks eat their words in WSH.

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[quote=12thMan;768983]Yeah Matty I don't think it's just draft picks or having a good track record. Let's face it, we've brought in a ton of guys with sterling track records that have been utter failures here. Heck, Vinny Cerrato nailed some really good picks for the Skins.

Shanahan just doesn't seem to be on his game for all the dough he's getting. I get the sense that he's disciplined and tough, but not really on his game. There's no other way around it. I think when people try to figure out what's needling Redskins fans, the first thing they say is we're impatient or this guy needs time, etc. [B]Shanahan bought in a bunch of retreads at RB, shuffled the oline all season long, and has been up and down with McNabb.[/B] And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Really, there hasn't been all that much difference between him and Jim Zorn if you ask me. If you strip away the Super Bowl trophies, no reasonable person could convince me there has been any improvement at all. For $7 mil per year, I expected a little more.

Sometimes I just get the feeling that he and Kyle are just tinkering with the team on the fly.[/quote]

Retreads? You mean Parker and Larry Johnson? Parker didn't make the team and Johnson lasted, what, 3 games? Are Torain and Williams retreads? What else was he supposed to do at RB with the available draft picks and corresponding needs?

The O-line was shuffled in part because of injury -- and that's what just about every coaching staff all over the league has to do -- also to give the other guys a shot to see what they have. If he'd have stuck with one group who got run over and couldn't protect all season long, the fans would be up in arms. I have no complaints about what he did with what he had up front.

McNabb? Outside of pulling him in Detroit, he has shown remarkable patience despite reports of being disenchanted with his play and lingering injury issues.

He came to an organization that had been woefully mismanaged for 11 straight years, an old, overpaid, roster and season after season with depleted draft picks -- and because Shanahan hasn't corrected it in one offseason and 13 games he might not be "on his game"? Seriously?

Honestly, what did you expect with a 4-12 team?

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[quote=Beemnseven;768986]Retreads? You mean Parker and Larry Johnson? Parker didn't make the team and Johnson lasted, what, 3 games? Are Torain and Williams retreads? What else was he supposed to do at RB with the available draft picks and corresponding needs?

The O-line was shuffled in part because of injury -- and that's what just about every coaching staff all over the league has to do -- also to give the other guys a shot to see what they have. If he'd have stuck with one group who got run over and couldn't protect all season long, the fans would be up in arms. I have no complaints about what he did with what he had up front.

McNabb? Outside of pulling him in Detroit, he has shown remarkable patience despite reports of being disenchanted with his play and lingering injury issues.

He came to an organization that had been woefully mismanaged for 11 straight years, an old, overpaid, roster and season after season with depleted draft picks -- and because [B]Shanahan hasn't corrected it in one offseason and 13 games he might not be "on his game[/B]"? Seriously?

Honestly, what did you expect with a 4-12 team?[/quote]

Well.....how many games would an experienced coach need? I figured we could lose the first 6 while he's loosening up and maybe win out through the SB.........then do the dynastic thing and repeatedly year after year dominate either NE or Indy for the Championship??

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[quote=Beemnseven;768982]For whatever reason, Shanny somehow gets a bum rap about personnel and drafts. I just don't think it's as bad as people think.

Here's a [URL="http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/nfl/2010/12/thom-loverro-shanahan-no-rough-draft"]column[/URL] by Thom Loverro that talks about his last four drafts. If only our previous front office had that type of success...[/quote]

And it's pretty telling that all of the listed hits by Loverro were on offense and his defensive picks leave much to be desired. So far, it's the same story here.

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Change takes time, honestly 12th your expectations for this year seem a little unreasonable. Shanahan took over a 4-12 team that lacked depth and didn't have a full compliment of draft picks. Add in a limited free agent pool and the task of getting this team turned around in one offseason was a very tall one, and probably a very unlikely one. It's been a frustrating year but we've had some nice wins and some very tough losses. I think the team has been more competitive than some are giving them credit for, especially given the lack of depth and impact players. It's simply too early to be so down on this new regime.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;768985]No shit, people always want to bring the negatives out, [SIZE=4]the Guy is a damn good coach[/SIZE] and he WILL make folks eat their words in WSH.[/quote]

YES, you are correct!

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;768990]And it's pretty telling that all of the listed hits by Loverro were on offense and [B]his defensive picks leave much to be desired.[/B] So far, it's the same story here.[/quote]

Looked to be a pretty good mix of both offensive and defensive selections. Are they future Hall of Famers? Maybe not, but the point is, Mike Shanahan isn't the outright worthless talent evaluator people make him out to be.

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[quote=Beemnseven;768986]Retreads? You mean Parker and Larry Johnson? Parker didn't make the team and Johnson lasted, what, 3 games? Are Torain and Williams retreads? What else was he supposed to do at RB with the available draft picks and corresponding needs?

The O-line was shuffled in part because of injury -- and that's what just about every coaching staff all over the league has to do -- also to give the other guys a shot to see what they have. If he'd have stuck with one group who got run over and couldn't protect all season long, the fans would be up in arms. I have no complaints about what he did with what he had up front.

McNabb? Outside of pulling him in Detroit, he has shown remarkable patience despite reports of being disenchanted with his play and lingering injury issues.

He came to an organization that had been woefully mismanaged for 11 straight years, an old, overpaid, roster and season after season with depleted draft picks -- and because Shanahan hasn't corrected it in one offseason and 13 games he might not be "on his game"? Seriously?

Honestly, what did you expect with a 4-12 team?[/quote]

Again, the standard 'be patient' BS. Injuries are a part of the game, not an excuse. The fact that we dicked around with Willie Parker and Larry Johnson the entire offseason, while Brian Westbrook, Lagarrette Blount, and Marshawn Lynch were on the market is our fault, that's not an excuse either.

Joey Galloway, major retread. Jammal Brown, a waste and a retread. Adam Carriker, Kemo, Philip Buchanan, Artis Hicks, Roydell Williams, Vonnie Holliday - all retreads. And so many more rotten, questionable moves and non-moves Shanny has made.

McNabb is so done here it's not even funny. It wouldn't surprise me if the guy doesn't even want to come back. Of course he'll toe the company line, but let's see what the offseason brings.

Can you honestly say this team is better than last year's team?

Re: Rex Grossman may start this Sunday
 

[quote=skinsfan69;768978]I agree with you on this. I really don't think he's going to be back. It's painfully obvious that the Shanahans don't like the guy and I don't blame them. He's freakin' terrible and Philly knew what they were doing and got over on us. After watching Jackson last night I would think Minnesota might be in on a trade. Maybe...[/quote]

...yeah.. Minnesota... He played under Childress in Philly too.... oh wait... lol

Honestly though, there will quite a few teams looking for a starting QB this offseason... Minny, Carolina, Seattle, San Fran (maybe?), Arizona (for sure!), Buffalo (maybe... Fitzpatrick actually has some pretty decent #s thus year... look 'em up), Cincy (maybe?), Indianapolis (just kidding! lol), Tennessee...

I definitely could see someone in that group valuing Donovan McNabb for their team.

Also... I don't think that people were expecting 4-12 to 12-4... but you watch the Chiefs, the Rams, and the Buccaneers... first you think... THAT'S what we were hoping for... then you realize... ALL THREE teams' coaches are in their SECOND SEASON with the team.... so I guess we'll see next year right??

(Side note... It's gotta be pretty good to be a Tampa fan and see wins and see 5 ROOKIES STARTING ON OFFENSE!... especially when one is a RB, 2 are WRs, and 2 are O-Linemen.... and of by the way, you're QB is 2nd-year pro... wow that'd be great eh!?)

Re: Rex Grossman may start this Sunday
 

[quote=Mattyk;768991]Change takes time, honestly 12th your expectations for this year seem a little unreasonable. Shanahan took over a 4-12 team that lacked depth and didn't have a full compliment of draft picks. Add in a limited free agent pool and the task of getting this team turned around in one offseason was a very tall one, and probably a very unlikely one. It's been a frustrating year but we've had some nice wins and some very tough losses. I think the team has been more competitive than some are giving them credit for, especially given the lack of depth and impact players. It's simply too early to be so down on this new regime.[/quote]

okay, i'm a little heated (and tipsy) right now. you're right, but i'm just pissed. i'm tired and i'm pissed. i thought at least things would feel different with shanny at the helm, but it seems it's the same old same old.

i guess winning cures all as they say. but a little whisky and a lot of losing ain't a good mix.

i'm out.