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I agree that the OL is the main reason the running game is clicking so well now. Some of the holes lately have been gigantic.

Plus I think another reason for the success of the running game is Saunders and the offense are finally getting on the same page as far as him calling what they do well.

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I'd still like to see him start scoring a bit more. Portis averaged a TD every 18 touches and 75 yards, Betts is averaging one every 98 & 465, respectively.

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[quote=Redskinhog1963;261131][B]anybody think that portis will request to be traded after the way betts has played since he's been out?i can't see too many changes next year at rb,i still see portis,betts,dockett,sellers,and rock back.[/B]
[B]anybody think the skins may shop portis to somebody like jacksonville,atlanta,or maybe even the dolphins?[/B][/quote]

I don't think that Portis will ask to be traded, however I think that Betts has proved more productive as a runner than Portis, I do think Portis is a better blocker in the backfield. I would not be surprised next year if Betts takes the #1 spot however, If nothing else I think he has earned a shot at the #1 spot personally.

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[quote=Mattyk72;261485]I agree that the OL is the main reason the running game is clicking so well now. Some of the holes lately have been gigantic.

Plus I think another reason for the success of the running game is Saunders and the offense are finally getting on the same page as far as him calling what they do well.[/quote]


Why didn't Gibbs stress this to AL from day 1? We would have beaten alot more teams running the ball..........

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[QUOTE=GREENSTHEMAN;261494]... however I think that Betts has proved more productive as a runner than Portis...[/QUOTE]

It's almost comical at this point.

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[quote=GREENSTHEMAN;261494]I don't think that Portis will ask to be traded, however I think that Betts has proved more productive as a runner than Portis, I do think Portis is a better blocker in the backfield. I would not be surprised next year if Betts takes the #1 spot however, If nothing else I think he has earned a shot at the #1 spot personally.[/quote]

Not a chance!

You don't replace an annual 1500-yard rusher because he had to sit out from a shoulder surgery.

You're another one who is forgetting how good Portis is and how much energy and talent he brings to the field...plus he's a better blocker AND passer.

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[quote=Buster;261535]Not a chance!

You don't replace an annual 1500-yard rusher because he had to sit out from a shoulder surgery.

You're another one who is forgetting how good Portis is and how much energy and talent he brings to the field...plus he's a better blocker AND passer.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Seriously, it makes me shake my head and wonder why this is even being discussed. Crazy....[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

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guess cuz we won yesterday and some dont have anyone to bash ...

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i'd say little chance. RBs are always the first to get injured. we have 2 capable starters in the backfield. this will help the team win more games and keep these guys healthier longer if they're splitting their carries.

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[QUOTE=Buster;261483]No.

Portis #1 (maybe slightly reduced and not on 3rd down to keep him healthier).
Betts #2
Duckett will probably be gone and Rock will be #3.

Yes, aside from LT...Betts is the best RB in the NFL over the last month, no one can stop him...but a lot of credit goes to the O-Line and we're also forgetting HOW GOOD PORTIS is. It'll be a killer 1-2 punch when CP is healthy and this season has proven that every team NEEDS at least 2 good RBs to compete. Where would we be WITHOUT Betts now?

Other teams are seeing it too...the Broncos, Jets, Titans, Dolphins, Lions, Vikings, Jaguars, Panthers, Seahawks, Packers, Bears, Eagles, Falcons, Texans, Raiders, Giants...all of these teams and more have needed capable backups this year because of injuries to their starting RBs.

We'd be stupid to get rid of either of them.[/QUOTE]

Right on. I hope we do everything in our power to keep BOTH Portis and Betts.

Portis is generally the better back, better receiver and better blocker. Betts is proving himself as a solid and capable backup. Plenty of teams in this league are running a two-back offense with a great deal of success: Pittsburgh had Bettis-Parker, San Diego has LT-Turner, Kansas City had Priest Holmes-Larry Johnson, Giants have Barber-Jacobs, Dallas has Barber-Jones, New Orleans has McCallister-Bush.

I say count our blessings that it looks like we'll have two very talented RBs rather than trying to shop one of them.

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betts trade value right now is as high as it will get. but i want them both

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I think the pressing question is, will Betts' emergence as a serious running threat change Saunders' offense into a Pittsburgh Steeler/Kansas City Chief type attack, with a run-first mentality?

Are we going to be a 60% running team? Should we?

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jesus folks!you'd have thought i was hitler or stalin after some of the shit i got over this.i was merely asking a question,not starting WW3!i hope they both come back too.nobody wants to see the redskins more than me here!

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[QUOTE=Redskinhog1963;261643]jesus folks!you'd have thought i was hitler or stalin after some of the shit i got over this.i was merely asking a question,not starting WW3!i hope they both come back too.nobody wants to see the redskins more than me here![/QUOTE]

I do. I want to see the Redskins more than you do.

:cheeky-sm

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[quote=mheisig;261653]I do. I want to see the Redskins more than you do.

:cheeky-sm[/quote]

i seriously doubt it friend.been pulling for the skins since 1970.here in our area before cable,you could'nt get the skins an tv,so we listened to a lot of them on am radio at the dinner table.i wear skins stuff everyday,save everything redskin related,even named my kids after redskins,(joanna and john)i ai'nt missed a game in 35 years,and the skins and cubs are two of my greatest passions.i do'nt think gibbs,snyder,or anybody wants to see the skins win more than me!

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What Redskin was named Joanna?

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Look you guys have to remember that Betts has had injury problems. Portis has not. You can't trade Portis because who is to say Betts can play a entire season.

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[QUOTE=Redskinhog1963;261657]i seriously doubt it friend.been pulling for the skins since 1970.here in our area before cable,you could'nt get the skins an tv,so we listened to a lot of them on am radio at the dinner table.i wear skins stuff everyday,save everything redskin related,even named my kids after redskins,(joanna and john)i ai'nt missed a game in 35 years,and the skins and cubs are two of my greatest passions.i do'nt think gibbs,snyder,or anybody wants to see the skins win more than me![/QUOTE]

I stand corrected. I thought being the biggest fan ever usually came with a commemorative plaque, which I didn't see, so I was obviously a bit confused.

This is good to know, however. Any future discussions as to who is the biggest Redskins fan can now be avoided, and all previous discussions can be settled.

You, my friend, have in but 30 posts, finally brought peace and harmony to the tumultuous ride that is TheWarpath.net.

Thank you, kind sir.

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[QUOTE=DGreen28;261661]Look you guys have to remember that Betts has had injury problems. Portis has not. You can't trade Portis because who is to say Betts can play a entire season.[/QUOTE]

So what is Betts worth in terms of draft picks? He's got a very manageable contract, his production is peaking in a way that it's really opened the eyes of a lot of teams across the league...

Are they setting things up for a trade involving Ladell Betts?

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I'm new here but I guess I'll just jump in with both feet.

I am really suprised at the ammount of speculation going on as to whether Portis or Betts will be dealt in the offseason. I just think it's a stretch that such a drastic move would be made based on a few good days (oaky, great days) from Betts down the stretch after the team had fallen from contention.

I love what Betts is doing and I love the return to a more run-oriented attack. I also appreciate that among some fans there's a lingering feeling that Portis, while great, has never been the north-south back that has traditionally thrived under Gibbs. Still, a trade of either back, especially Portis, seems pretty far fetched to me.

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[quote=DGreen28;261661]Look you guys have to remember that Betts has had injury problems. Portis has not. You can't trade Portis because who is to say Betts can play a entire season.[/quote]

Dude, Portis just had two surgeries and is out for the year.

Are you drunk?

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Keeping both is very , very probabable . But ,, if some team offers a 1st , 2nd and maybe a 4th rd pick , you would make that trade . We have done a poor job of getting TD's for three years with these guys , so if you get an offer like the Saints made to move up and draft R. Williams , you would have to make that deal .

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If some team offers a 1st, 2nd, and whatever else... we all need to pinch ourselves and wake up because that's not reality.

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I don't see any "can't refuse" offers coming along for either back- at least not one the Redskins would seriously consider.

Again, Betts is on a roll and I hope he keeps it up, but he's not a proven 325+ carries-a-year back. Portis is coming off an injury plagued season in which he never really got going.

Hard to see any team offering enough to make the Skins seriously think about dealing either back.

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[quote=Buster;261535]Not a chance!

You don't replace an annual 1500-yard rusher because he had to sit out from a shoulder surgery.

You're another one who is forgetting how good Portis is and how much energy and talent he brings to the field...plus he's a better blocker AND passer.[/quote]

What I see in Betts is the way he hits the hole, to me he seems to be more decisive when he picks the hole he is going to run into, and he seems much quicker as he goes through the hole.

I did mention that Portis is a better blocker, I just think that he will be given a shot at being the #1 back, I don't think he would win it out right, but that is the type of competition the team needs, it can only improve the way the team approaches the running game next year.

No matter who has the ball when I just want the Skins to run the ball down other teams throats, and then hit them with a few well timed bombs ....maybe next year!!!!!

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Out of college 40 YD Dash Times:

Betts = 4.60 to 4.62
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/betts_ladell.htm"]NFL.com: NFL Draft[/URL]
[U][URL="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/2002draft/rbs/ladellbetts.htm"]USATODAY.com - Ladell Betts, RB - Iowa[/URL]
[url=http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/draft_2001/scoutingreports_rb.asp#RB%20Ladell%20Betts]Top 10 running backs[/url]
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Portis = 4.29 to 4.43
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[URL="http://www.nfl.com/insider/story/5649713"]NFL.com - NFL Insider[/URL]
[url=http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/draft_2001/scoutingreports_rb.asp#RB%20Clinton%20Portis]Top 10 running backs[/url]

I know it doesn't mean much since the data is a few years old, but they are the same age and Portis has always been faster. I just thought I'd look it up because I keep hearing that Betts "looks" faster.

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The solution is to run the ball more. Then they BOTH get their carries. Be like Jacksonville. Tough as nails defense, can run 400 yards if you don't stop them. Ask Campbell to throw 15 balls a game max and be a Roethlisberger.

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they are great compliments to each other. I think alot of betts success has to do with defenses not exactly keying in on him thinking since portis is out and we're out of contention we're going to be working on Campbells progress more and thats the way to beat us... defend against the pass.

The saints knew what they were up against, but for the first couple of games, I would imagine that D's not preparing for him had something to do with it.

I'd still take portis over betts as a full time back, I think portis has earned his stripes around here...

... but damn betts has looked good the last few weeks!

I just hope the D gets on track next year and we have an offense that can run for 5 yards a carry avg the whole year. That'll be fun...

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[quote=canthetuna;262827]they are great compliments to each other. I think alot of betts success has to do with defenses not exactly keying in on him thinking since portis is out and we're out of contention we're going to be working on Campbells progress more and thats the way to beat us... defend against the pass.

The saints knew what they were up against, but for the first couple of games, I would imagine that D's not preparing for him had something to do with it.

I'd still take portis over betts as a full time back, I think portis has earned his stripes around here...

... but damn betts has looked good the last few weeks!

I just hope the D gets on track next year and we have an offense that can run for 5 yards a carry avg the whole year. That'll be fun...[/quote]

I think the temptation is to think what you just said, but do you seriously think that defenses are abandoning run defense because of Jason Campbell and our inconsistent lot of receiving weapons? More likely, you shut down the run and dare the Redskins to throw, as they graciously did 35+ times two weeks ago.

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[QUOTE=Buster;262439]Out of college 40 YD Dash Times:

Betts = 4.60 to 4.62
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/betts_ladell.htm"]NFL.com: NFL Draft[/URL]
[U][URL="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/2002draft/rbs/ladellbetts.htm"]USATODAY.com - Ladell Betts, RB - Iowa[/URL]
[url=http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/draft_2001/scoutingreports_rb.asp#RB%20Ladell%20Betts]Top 10 running backs[/url]
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Portis = 4.29 to 4.43
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[URL="http://www.nfl.com/insider/story/5649713"]NFL.com - NFL Insider[/URL]
[url=http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/draft_2001/scoutingreports_rb.asp#RB%20Clinton%20Portis]Top 10 running backs[/url]

I know it doesn't mean much since the data is a few years old, but they are the same age and Portis has always been faster. I just thought I'd look it up because I keep hearing that Betts "looks" faster.[/QUOTE]

Last week I was listening to Sportstalk 980 with Czaban and Andy Polin. They were talking about Trevor Matich, a former O-lineman who was going over game tapes of Ladell Betts.

Matich said that Betts is anticipating the blockers in front of him, and has the exact amount of patience for the holes to open up, demonstrating this ability apparently better than Portis ever did. He said that Betts was really starting to look like an "intelligent" runner.

So, while Portis has better breakaway speed, it seems that Betts, right now at least, is really taking advantage of the inside yardage between the tackles. For whatever reason, things just haven't lined up for him to break a long run.

Either way, there's no better 1-2 punch in the league.

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man, i really think we are going to be good next year.....I think we are going to bulldoze people on offense.....i cant wait

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[quote=brent;262828]I think the temptation is to think what you just said, but do you seriously think that defenses are abandoning run defense because of Jason Campbell and our inconsistent lot of receiving weapons? More likely, you shut down the run and dare the Redskins to throw, as they graciously did 35+ times two weeks ago.[/quote]


I have concerns, because this ISNT betts first year playing. He's been in the league and couldn't crack the lineup for several years. I believe there are many factors contributing to his success and DON'T believe he's a better running back than Portis, unless he's suddenly Become a better back, which is unlikely.

I like what I'm seeing, but just trying to keep a realistic point of view. He does look like he's hitting a hole with purpose, which I never gave him any credit for in the past... in fact that was my #1 critisism of him.

It looks to me like he's a straight ahead runner who keeps his feet turning and is very decisive with his lane choosing, which works for this offense, but I don't think he'll ever be the improvisor that portis is. I just think that before the last few weeks, if you're game planning for the redskins, you think, "well clinton portis is out, and thats the reason they win games, so lets pressure the young QB and cause some turnovers and put them away." and spend time doing that more than anything during preparation.

I don't think you game plan for stopping the run as much when Clinton Portis goes on IR with us, because traditionally, we don't run well without him... .until the last few weeks.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;262836]I have concerns, because this ISNT betts first year playing. He's been in the league and couldn't crack the lineup for several years.[/QUOTE]

Now that's a bit unfair, don't you think? He was drafted in 2002 when we still had Stephen Davis, and with Steve Spurrier in charge -- and he wasn't a fan of running the ball anyway. 2003 was a complete mess, and in 2004 Portis came in.

Plus, he had injury issues in the beginning. So to say he "couldn't crack the lineup" is misleading. He didn't really have the chance.

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Portis, Betts, and Rock will be here next year. Not Duckett he'll go somewhere and start like the Raiders