Vick needs to get it done for a few more years before I'd put him on any 'greats' list. He also needs to improve his passing ability, right now he's still just a great runner playing QB.

Young could definitely be on a top 5 list, totally forgot about him.

Brady could get a mention in a few years, especially if he adds another SB to his already impressive resume.

1. Favre: No one has won more MVP's or made more players look great than he has, he's the best ever, IMO.
2. Joe Montana: A winner
3. John Elway: Had to have T.D. carry him to 2 Super Bowl wins, but he makes the list anyway.
4. Jim Kelly: 4 Super Bowls
5. Dan Marino: Holds almost every passing record in the book

If you asked me who I thought has the greatest potential in the past 25 years though I would definitely say Mike Vick.

What an arm! What mobility! What field vision!

The guy has it all and he is a game changer (someone who strikes fear into a defense)

1. Elway- The dude bordered on the supernatural sometimes. 2 minutes left, the Broncos down by 5, they have to drive 80 yards with no timeouts....you just knew he was going to do it. All you could do was hold your breath. And he did it (except for the final years) with no running game.

2. Marino. This guy could would pick opposing defenses apart in his sleep. And his quick release meant he rarely got sacked.

3. Farve. This guy's a throwback. Put him back in the 50's and 60's and watch the fireworks between him and Unitas. Best pure quarterback in the game today, despite his age.

4. Montana. Yeah, he won so many superbowls, and did so much...Crap. I might be alone in thinking this, but I think Montana was maybe the most overated QB ever. He played on an unbeatable squad, had an awesome rushing attack to back him up, and threw the ball to THE best WR to ever play in Rice. I have heard some go so far as to say that Montana "made" Jerry Rice a star. I think it's the opposite.

And here's a name we haven't heard yet....
5. Bernie Kosar. Tough as beaten leather. Would play with dislocated fingers and broken ribs.

Had a hard time keeping Cunningham off this list. He set the stage for a new generation of QBs like McNabb, Vick, and McNair.

You know, just for fun, why not throw out Bradshaw and Staubach. The game changed with the rule changes in the late 70's and the expanded schedule. These guys,especially Staubach broke many hearts...consistently. Thse two may not have been built for the 80's but they were deadly in the 70's. I had much more fear of Staubach than Aikman.

DG

Montana
Marino
elway
aikman
Favre

I have to be unbiased here, 3 super bowl's to 1, Aikman get's the nod, I know he's a hated cowboy, but he alway's conducted himself with class, Farve on the other hand gave up that dilebrate sack to Strahan, which damned him to football hell IMO. :smashfrea

A little bit surprised that no one has said Kurt Warner. Granted, I think he's done. But for a couple of years he was pretty much as good as anyone has ever been...or was it the system?

Here are a few other QBs that I would consider for "also receving votes":

Mark Brunell
Boomer Esiason
Jim Everett
Jeff Garcia

Nice call on Kosar, he was tough as nails. I always sort of liked him because I too throw the football side-armed. Another QB I always felt was somewhat underrated was Neil Lomax. Remember when the Cardinals were sort of good, with Lomax, Roy Green, Ottis Anderson, Stump Mitchell? Now that I think about they were pretty bad even then, except for that one year when the Skins had to beat them in the season finale, winner won the division, and the Skins won it on a Mark Moseley field goal I believe, but I digress...

My bad. I thought twenty five years ago was longer... Montana, Marino, Elway, Farve, and Kelly are the easy ones. However, if you're looking a QB who worked well with what they had and played within himself, I agree with the Simms suggestion. I hated seeing the Giants pull out games out of their... Hearing his commentary is much more distracting than Aikman's. But he was effective. Young should be in the HOF, next year.

Yeah I had a hard time keeping Simms out of the top 5, he's probably no. 6 for me. I'm anxious to see how his son does in the pros. I think Chris might have the better arm but not the smarts

[QUOTE=DG: Brewer & Redskins fan]My bad. I thought twenty five years ago was longer... Montana, Marino, Elway, Farve, and Kelly are the easy ones. However, if you're looking a QB who worked well with what they had and played within himself, I agree with the Simms suggestion. I hated seeing the Giants pull out games out of their... Hearing his commentary is much more distracting than Aikman's. But he was effective. Young should be in the HOF, next year.[/QUOTE]

If Art monk isn't getting in as of now, there's no way Young deserves to be there.

[QUOTE=Daseal]I don't feel brady deserves to make the list. That's like putting Jake DelHomme on there.[/QUOTE]

how can anyone even compare what brady has done to jake delhomme?!?! I guess 2 sb mvp's in 3 years doesn't account for what they used too, lol.

My list goes as follows:

Marino: never been a better arm than his in the history of the league and he did everything in his career without a solid running game.
Montana: His accomplishments speak volumes about his leadership and skill no matter how saturated the 49ers were with offensive talent.
Aikman: Hated how well he played but there have been very few qbs to have been as accurate of a passer as he was and winning 3 SBs(mother @%!#*$) is huge on his resume.
Here's a curveball for ya, Fran Tarkenton: Made more defensive players go bald from ripping out their hair than anyone in league history except for Barry Sanders. He was a 9 time pro-bowler and was in the top ten in passing completions and yardage 17 seasons of his 18 year career and in the top 10 passing tds in 16 of those years. in all-time nfl history he's 4th in pass attempts, 5th in completions, 4th in yards, and 3rd in TD's. yes he didn't have much postseason success or attempts but his statistics warrant him being considered in this conversation.
and finally elway: while I still don't get how he's in the conversation as a lot of people's choice for the best all time qb, he was a hell of a field general especially during crunch time. But if Terrel Davis hadn't come along I think he'd be around 8 or 9.

I think it is way too early to consider Vick as a great. He has good skills but Caulpepper has done more for his team with similar skills and being a QB is more than physical skills it is being able to lift a team which is down like Elway or Montana. With them back there the game was never over.

Of the current players who could be considered as great include Trent Green, not only for his Chiefs carrear which he has Priest Holmes to hand the ball off to but when he turned the Skins 0-7 season (6-10) round with Skip Hicks to hand off to and the likes of Brad Badger in the decimated O-Line.

Others include Payton Manning of course andMatt Hastelbeck, Dante Culpepper and Steve McNair.

Players like Brady and McNabb i think benifit from having an overwhelming defence and just and overall team effort. Farve shoild have hung it up long ago he is like Santa in a green bay uniform he threw away the playoff game against the Eagles last year and everytime the ball goes up it is 50-50 pick or compleation. I think it is a shame because it is tarnishing his reputation.

It is stil way to early to make any kind of decision on Ramsey, Carr, Harrington, Boller, Eli Manning etc but they could be the better QB of the next ten years.

1. Montana
2. Elway
3. Favre
4. Kelly
5. Tom Brady

I know I'll probably get ripped for this but I always consider intangibles over stats when evaluating QBs, that's why I didn't include Marino. Bottom line is Marino wasn't a winner, nor was he a leader. I always have this argument with a Dolphins friend of mine. Marino always had great stats, but he took his team to one Super Bowl, never really put his team on his back as a leader and said 'follow me and I'll show you the right way'. I always felt he was selfish and a prick to his teammates and that's why they never want anywhere.. Making the playoffs all the time is nice, but you have to do something when you get there.

1. Elway
2. Montana

I had a long paragraph arguing this, but Elway took a team with Ricky Nattiel and Vance Johnson to the Super Bowl. Twice. Back to back years.

3. Marino
4. Favre
5. Aikman

These 5 guys all pass the "uh-oh" test. When you saw that we were playing them that week, you went "Uh oh, here comes trouble." The top four guys are pretty much set in stone, and I think Aikman's 3 SBs make him a better candidate than Kelly. Manning, McNair, and Vick seem like the 3 most positioned to join the elite qbs.

1. Montana
2. Elway
3. Marino
4. Favre
5. Aikman - I hate to admit it, but at least Lavar ended his career.

[QUOTE=Paintrain]1. Montana
2. Elway
3. Favre
4. Kelly
5. Tom Brady

I know I'll probably get ripped for this but I always consider intangibles over stats when evaluating QBs, that's why I didn't include Marino. Bottom line is Marino wasn't a winner, nor was he a leader. I always have this argument with a Dolphins friend of mine. Marino always had great stats, but he took his team to one Super Bowl, never really put his team on his back as a leader and said 'follow me and I'll show you the right way'. I always felt he was selfish and a prick to his teammates and that's why they never want anywhere.. Making the playoffs all the time is nice, but you have to do something when you get there.[/QUOTE]

I have to disagree on Marino, the problem he had was that he alway's carried his team on his back, Shula was past his prime when Marino arrived, if you put Marino in the 80's on either the 9er's or the skin's he would have more ring's than any QB in history, could you imagine what Gibb's would have done with a QB like Marino, it would have been scary.