Secondary a Primary Concern

SmootSmack · 08-02-2012, 10:26 AM

So I know a lot of us are woefully concerned about the OL, but there's another unit that merits some "sky is falling" discussion.

And that's the DBs. As I've said before, I wish they had gone after a stud like Grimes or Carr but for whatever reason they didn't.

Instead they chose Cedric Griffin, with the expectation that he'll primarily line up opposite Josh Wilson with DeAngelo Hall in the nickel replacing Kevin Barnes.

On average, starting corners I believe get about 20-25% more snaps than the nickel. To be clear though, I suspect that Hall will largely be the starter but when a nickel situation is called for, Cedric won't come in to play nickel he'll come in to replace Hall and Hall slides to cover the slot receiver. We'll know for sure soon enough.

I thought we stole Barnes in the draft, now I think we got robbed. He's been a considerable disappointment who I think has a lot to prove this summer to even make this roster as a dime cornerback.

Question is, are we that much better with Wilson, C. Griffin, and Hall over Wilson, Hall, and Barnes?

mbedner3420 · 08-02-2012, 10:31 AM

Who is usually lined up opposite Wilson when Hall is in the slot?

SFREDSKIN · 08-02-2012, 10:33 AM

Yep, I'm more concerned with the secondary than the OL. Cedric Griffin will be lucky to make the team. Hall and Wilson are avg. at best, I'm hoping one of the young guys drafted surprise us.

Chico23231 · 08-02-2012, 10:37 AM

I'd like to see Barnes be the boundery corner with Hall sliding to the slot. C Griffin i think is pretty much done. Id also like to see this kid Crawford play in the preseason as well, he's having a great camp.

SmootSmack · 08-02-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mbedner3420

Who is usually lined up opposite Wilson when Hall is in the slot?

Right now, it's Cedric Griffin's position to lose. Will Crawford, Barnes, or Thompson supplant him? Possible not likely at the moment

Lotus · 08-02-2012, 10:38 AM

To answer the thread question: IMO no, we are not better off personnel-wise this year than we were last year. I think it will be a long year for the secondary. Hopefully someone like Crawford will take us by surprise.

It would have been smart to have landed Grimes.

30gut · 08-02-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Question is, are we that much better with Wilson, C. Griffin, and Hall over Wilson, Hall, and Barnes?

I don't think C. Griffin makes the team.

Ruhskins · 08-02-2012, 10:48 AM

I think the secondary has been battling the o-line for worst area on the team. I would personally give the nod to the secondary right now. Aside from what SS mentioned, our safety situation is very questionable. I do home R. Morris can do something about the secondary. Also, I hope the coaching staff is aware of these deficit areas and schemes around them. Hopefully, we won't see any Cover 0 blitzes this season. Also, I hope the front 7 are good enough to compensate for the crappy secondary.

TheMalcolmConnection · 08-02-2012, 10:49 AM

Would have loved Carr too (especially to keep him away from Dallas), and I AM fairly concerned. Weirdly enough, I think our safety play will surprise us all with being simply adequate. Maybe Jackson can stay healthy and we'll have a decent free safety. All the camp reads are saying Griffin is getting eaten up in camp. Maybe Barnes/Crawford battle it out for some playing time which would be kind of scary...

Chico23231 · 08-02-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Would have loved Carr too (especially to keep him away from Dallas), and I AM fairly concerned. Weirdly enough, I think our safety play will surprise us all with being simply adequate. Maybe Jackson can stay healthy and we'll have a decent free safety. All the camp reads are saying Griffin is getting eaten up in camp. Maybe Barnes/Crawford battle it out for some playing time which would be kind of scary...

I agree, and I think this will help out our Corner play. Griffin is getting crushed in camp from everything Im reading too.

mredskins · 08-02-2012, 10:52 AM

If we can generate a better pass rush and R. Morris couches these guys up a bit; Ithink we got a shot of being at least average in the secondary.

skinsguy · 08-02-2012, 10:52 AM

Not sure if I can answer this until I've seen them play in a few regular season games. I DO think we're going to need to address the secondary pretty soon though, because if we're winning games, then we're probably going to have to score a lot of points!

Ruhskins · 08-02-2012, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mredskins

If we can generate a better pass rush and R. Morris couches these guys up a bit; Ithink we got a shot of being at least average in the secondary.

I hear Morris is very good at couching a team, just look at this masterpiece:

SmootSmack · 08-02-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 30gut

I don't think C. Griffin makes the team.

You know what? I haven't thought so either but we almost kind of need him to

mredskins · 08-02-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I hear Morris is very good at couching a team, just look at this masterpiece:

LOL! That is my dyslexia I usually catch myself.

08-02-2012, 10:26 AM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Secondary a Primary Concern So I know a lot of us are woefully concerned about the OL, but there's another unit that merits some "sky is falling" discussion. And that's the DBs. As I've said before, I wish they had gone after a stud like Grimes or Carr but for whatever reason they didn't. Instead they chose Cedric Griffin, with the expectation that he'll primarily line up opposite Josh Wilson with DeAngelo Hall in the nickel replacing Kevin Barnes. On average, starting corners I believe get about 20-25% more snaps than the nickel. To be clear though, I suspect that Hall will largely be the starter but when a nickel situation is called for, Cedric won't come in to play nickel he'll come in to replace Hall and Hall slides to cover the slot receiver. We'll know for sure soon enough. I thought we stole Barnes in the draft, now I think we got robbed. He's been a considerable disappointment who I think has a lot to prove this summer to even make this roster as a dime cornerback. Question is, are we that much better with Wilson, C. Griffin, and Hall over Wilson, Hall, and Barnes? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-02-2012, 10:31 AM	#2
mbedner3420 The Starter Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,900	Re: Secondary a Primary Concern Who is usually lined up opposite Wilson when Hall is in the slot?

08-02-2012, 10:33 AM	#3
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Secondary a Primary Concern Yep, I'm more concerned with the secondary than the OL. Cedric Griffin will be lucky to make the team. Hall and Wilson are avg. at best, I'm hoping one of the young guys drafted surprise us. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

08-02-2012, 10:37 AM	#4
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 33,981	Re: Secondary a Primary Concern I'd like to see Barnes be the boundery corner with Hall sliding to the slot. C Griffin i think is pretty much done. Id also like to see this kid Crawford play in the preseason as well, he's having a great camp. __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

08-02-2012, 10:38 AM	#6
Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: Secondary a Primary Concern To answer the thread question: IMO no, we are not better off personnel-wise this year than we were last year. I think it will be a long year for the secondary. Hopefully someone like Crawford will take us by surprise. It would have been smart to have landed Grimes. __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny

08-02-2012, 10:48 AM	#8
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,221	Re: Secondary a Primary Concern I think the secondary has been battling the o-line for worst area on the team. I would personally give the nod to the secondary right now. Aside from what SS mentioned, our safety situation is very questionable. I do home R. Morris can do something about the secondary. Also, I hope the coaching staff is aware of these deficit areas and schemes around them. Hopefully, we won't see any Cover 0 blitzes this season. Also, I hope the front 7 are good enough to compensate for the crappy secondary. __________________ R.I.P. #21

08-02-2012, 10:49 AM	#9
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 19,218	Re: Secondary a Primary Concern Would have loved Carr too (especially to keep him away from Dallas), and I AM fairly concerned. Weirdly enough, I think our safety play will surprise us all with being simply adequate. Maybe Jackson can stay healthy and we'll have a decent free safety. All the camp reads are saying Griffin is getting eaten up in camp. Maybe Barnes/Crawford battle it out for some playing time which would be kind of scary... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

08-02-2012, 10:52 AM	#11
mredskins Gamebreaker Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 12,527	Re: Secondary a Primary Concern If we can generate a better pass rush and R. Morris couches these guys up a bit; Ithink we got a shot of being at least average in the secondary. __________________ When life gives you paper jams, turn them into paper footballs!

08-02-2012, 10:52 AM	#12
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Secondary a Primary Concern Not sure if I can answer this until I've seen them play in a few regular season games. I DO think we're going to need to address the secondary pretty soon though, because if we're winning games, then we're probably going to have to score a lot of points! __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

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