Ukraine mega thread

Chico23231 · 03-01-2014, 12:49 PM

That escalated quickly. Putin couldn't wait for the Olympics to be over and what does it exactly mean there is going to be costs from our President? Eastern Europe loves them some war.

Buffalo Bob · 03-01-2014, 12:57 PM

For those of us who haven't been following could someone explain the situation in a few sentences?

CRedskinsRule · 03-01-2014, 01:11 PM

Crimea is a region in Ukraine that hosts the Russian fleet and has a large Russian speaking and Russian leaning population. It also is a large economic engine for Ukraine as a whole. Ukraine replaced a Russian leaning prime minister and there is a serious secession movement and possible civil war. Russia today approved sending troops into Crimea and Pres Obama said there will be "costs" if Russia did.

Another background is that Ukraine agreed to give up their nuclear defense only when the US and Europe agreed to ensure their sovereignty.

CRedskinsRule · 03-01-2014, 01:17 PM

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CRedskinsRule · 03-01-2014, 02:22 PM

And Ukraine has called for a general troop mobilization. The question in my mind is will the US put a naval vessel in the area as a sign of support, or are we going to cede eastern Europe's fate back to Russia. One may push to some level of military response, the other leads down a path of appeasement.

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RedskinRat · 03-01-2014, 02:40 PM

What CRedskinsRule said.

Expect appeasement.

Chico23231 · 03-01-2014, 02:47 PM

Putin has punked Obama at every turn since he has been back.

CRedskinsRule · 03-01-2014, 08:17 PM

If you don't pull your troops out we won't send minions to a low level G8 talk.

That will scare Putin!

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HailGreen28 · 03-01-2014, 08:24 PM

So what's driving this conflict? Ethnic Ukraine vs. Russian? Natural gas? The strategic importance of the Crimea?

HailGreen28 · 03-01-2014, 09:03 PM

Lithuania invokes Nato treaty on Ukraine

Today @ 17:16

By EUOBSERVER

Lithuania's FM Linkevicius has said Russia's decision to deploy forces in Ukraine means "Nato, art. 4 becomes valid," referring to article 4 of the Nato treaty. The article says Nato members must meet for consultations if "the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened."

Chico23231 · 03-01-2014, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If you don't pull your troops out we won't send minions to a low level G8 talk.

That will scare Putin!

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Weak stuff.

Putin move was probably the boldest military action since the Afghanistan invasion for Russia. They are simply not gonna turn around now

Chico23231 · 03-01-2014, 09:55 PM

The un and European union better send in peacekeepers now because those Russian trooper will eat up any type of protestors. It's gonna get ugly

CRedskinsRule · 03-02-2014, 12:03 AM

Interesting and well written article on this. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsate...n-into-crimea/
Comments about Putin at the end are thought provoking.

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Daseal · 03-02-2014, 12:12 AM

The original issue started when the Ukrainian President refused a deal to join the EU in order to stay loyal to Russia. As you can see from previously posted maps, there's a pretty big divide in the country where allegiances lie.

NC_Skins · 03-02-2014, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

For those of us who haven't been following could someone explain the situation in a few sentences?

Why haven't you?

I've been meaning to start this thread a bit ago when the protesting started to turn for the worst, but I had my doubts anybody would care. I am now vindicated with the above....lol

03-01-2014, 12:49 PM	#1
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,222	Ukraine mega thread That escalated quickly. Putin couldn't wait for the Olympics to be over and what does it exactly mean there is going to be costs from our President? Eastern Europe loves them some war. __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

03-01-2014, 12:57 PM	#2
Buffalo Bob The Starter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Beaverdam Virginia Age: 63 Posts: 2,137	Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine. For those of us who haven't been following could someone explain the situation in a few sentences?

03-01-2014, 02:40 PM	#6
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine. What CRedskinsRule said. Expect appeasement.

03-01-2014, 02:47 PM	#7
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,222	Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine. Putin has punked Obama at every turn since he has been back. __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

03-01-2014, 08:24 PM	#9
HailGreen28 Playmaker Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 3,754	Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine. So what's driving this conflict? Ethnic Ukraine vs. Russian? Natural gas? The strategic importance of the Crimea?

03-01-2014, 01:11 PM	#3
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,306	Crimea is a region in Ukraine that hosts the Russian fleet and has a large Russian speaking and Russian leaning population. It also is a large economic engine for Ukraine as a whole. Ukraine replaced a Russian leaning prime minister and there is a serious secession movement and possible civil war. Russia today approved sending troops into Crimea and Pres Obama said there will be "costs" if Russia did. Another background is that Ukraine agreed to give up their nuclear defense only when the US and Europe agreed to ensure their sovereignty.

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CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,306	Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

03-01-2014, 02:22 PM	#5
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,306	And Ukraine has called for a general troop mobilization. The question in my mind is will the US put a naval vessel in the area as a sign of support, or are we going to cede eastern Europe's fate back to Russia. One may push to some level of military response, the other leads down a path of appeasement. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

03-01-2014, 08:17 PM	#8
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,306	If you don't pull your troops out we won't send minions to a low level G8 talk. That will scare Putin! Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

03-01-2014, 09:03 PM	#10
HailGreen28 Playmaker Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 3,754	Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine. Lithuania invokes Nato treaty on Ukraine Today @ 17:16 By EUOBSERVER Lithuania's FM Linkevicius has said Russia's decision to deploy forces in Ukraine means "Nato, art. 4 becomes valid," referring to article 4 of the Nato treaty. The article says Nato members must meet for consultations if "the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened."

03-01-2014, 09:55 PM	#12
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,222	Re: Hey there's about to be a war in Ukraine. The un and European union better send in peacekeepers now because those Russian trooper will eat up any type of protestors. It's gonna get ugly __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

03-02-2014, 12:03 AM	#13
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,306	Interesting and well written article on this. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsate...n-into-crimea/ Comments about Putin at the end are thought provoking. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

03-02-2014, 12:12 AM	#14
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