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04-19-2021, 03:17 PM | #16 |
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We should know from the war on drugs that locking people up doesn't work and isn't a deterrent.
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04-19-2021, 03:35 PM | #20 |
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It’s Apple to oranges policy wise. Not the same
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Locking people up period doesn't deter crime. Nor do longer sentences.
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Trying to sentence one person in some hope everyone else will notice, should not be the most important part of a prison sentence. Shouldn't really play a role at all.. It should be to properly and fairly punish the person that committed the crime. I don't agree for reduced sentences to not be "mean" for lack of a better term nor do I want some crazy long unjustified sentence, to try to deter others. No one should be in prison to help deter crime. That's not their responsibility.
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04-19-2021, 06:49 PM | #24 | |
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You also are somehow working under a construct that all of these people can be save under the right rehabilitation. It’s a fantasy world...I’ve worked in that world. I once believed what you do. In some parts of the country over 80 percent of gun crime is with illegally possessed guns. You created deterrence and safer streets by eliminating the person possessing the illegal gun with clearly stating it will not be tolerated anymore with mandatory sentencing. You want to get community activism going, hold them accountable for the rehab of each person put behind bars for an illegal gun. Let them do the education, rehabilitation and job training. I’m so sick of the whining and them providing zero results. It’s beyond pathetic. If you want to reference mass shooting, I always have this linked saved: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/r.../mass-shooting Take a look where and who are committing these crimes. It’s not lawful gun owners
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04-19-2021, 08:00 PM | #26 | |
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I also feel like the gun problem can also be tied to the recidivism problem. Jail works as a punishment for a crime, but it does nothing in teaching a criminal how to break the cycle of returning to the life of crime after the sentence is over. The mass shooting thing - I think stronger background checks (means taking a little longer for your average law-abiding citizen) in conjunction with closing the loopholes would help in that regard. How many times do we see that article after a mass shooting talking about how many red flags the offender had but none of it came up when they legally purchased the gun used to commit the crime? Also think if you have been convicted of a violent crime that should clearly be noted when you go to purchase a gun. If you have DV convictions, or assault/battery/etc. convictions those are red flags that should come up (but every application should be reviewed on a case-by-case basis). Harsher penalties for straw purchases or people who don't report their registered gun being stolen too.
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I’m still seeing some major inconsistencies from the left position
1. Let’s make it a more comprehensive background check and license people to legally own a gun. Also strengthen red flag law Fact: most gun crime (approx 75%) is committed with an illegally possessed gun If you are adding more checks to owning a gun and most gun crime is committed with illegally possessed gun.....then we need to punish those with jail time who are breaking your precious initial check to stop crime as the data clearly shows You guys aren’t being honest and consistent in your logic. The crime committed is the problem
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JHC , you need help.
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04-20-2021, 10:10 AM | #29 |
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This thread is literally the definition of pissing in the wind. No meaningful changes are in the pipeline and likely never will be. Not sure what we're even arguing about, polls show that the majority of Americans are on the same page with tighter gun control yet lawmakers never make it happen.
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04-20-2021, 10:48 AM | #30 |
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IMHO (all this is ) . It's a combination of more of everything. Yes given them tough sentencing and no parole. Yet while in there the training for them once they are out should be better and definitely mandatory school for those without HS diplomas. Combine with tighter measures on guns and licensing . Should everyone have a right to a gun ...NO, just no. Some don't deserver the right .Once you serve criminal time you shouldn't be allowed to own a gun or have possession of one. You forfeit that right by committing the crime . Yes , I believe in the death penalty and for murder one ,it's death. Right now there is no fear of Police or prison .
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