Dwayne Haskins preseason thread

[rocnrik]

Case is good enough with a good supporting cast around him to win 10 games ..that means time to throw .. receivers who can get open and a running game..the D will keep us in games !! We don’t need stupid fumbles and bad special teams play .. I’m not worried about Case it’s all the other stuff that worries me.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Whatever you guys are seeing with the O I am not drinking the koolaid yet. We are still relying on reed, the wr corp is suspect, I have hopes for Guice but want to see him actually play before I get excited and LT is a bit of a concern. D might be good but will get worn down if we see the anything close to last year and I am pretty sure we aren't starting 6-3. I hope I am wrong.

[MTK]

If anyone is holding out hope we see the Keenum of 2017 you're probably going to have a bad time this year. He had a career year on a loaded offense with the Vikings and they still elected to move on from him. Denver moved on after one mediocre season. Very unlikely he has another 2017 in him.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by MTK

If anyone is holding out hope we see the Keenum of 2017 you're probably going to have a bad time this year. He had a career year on a loaded offense with the Vikings and they still elected to move on from him. Denver moved on after one mediocre season. Very unlikely he has another 2017 in him.

Put me in the camp that doesn't expect a 2017 from him, I would honestly be surprised if Haskins isn't starting by game 5.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I don't know what version of Keenum we'll see and for how long, but that 2017 year was more about Minnesota's defense than anything else. I do think that if the Redskins defense is top 10 - trending toward top 5 as some think it may be, it's not out of the realm of possibility that this team has a good year with him under center - especially if a couple of the potential playmakers on offense show up consistently...

Of course the team could suffer a ton of injuries and be terrible too...we'll just have to see how it all plays out.

[Meks]

The defense still has a lot of young/raw talent and it will take time to push a top 5 unit. I also question our coordinator so we will see but hey man they have all the potential in the world. If we were a D first ball control team I think we'd fair well. The way the game is changing and evolving including rules and how games are called, the blatant screw job we seem to get 2-3 times a year ,tho, makes that difficult at the least

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Meks

The defense still has a lot of young/raw talent and it will take time to push a top 5 unit. I also question our coordinator so we will see but hey man they have all the potential in the world. If we were a D first ball control team I think we'd fair well. The way the game is changing and evolving including rules and how games are called, the blatant screw job we seem to get 2-3 times a year ,tho, makes that difficult at the least

How many starters would you label raw?

Sweat and SDH?

If GreGG was DC with the guys up front, I think we would have a lot more confidence.

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[AnonEmouse]

I know, lets get this season out of the way, but with McCoy likely on the scrap heap and Smith almost certainly retiring or at least moving on, what about next year? I can't help thinking the best thing all round is to sit Haskins rather than risk spoiling his chances now, and start Keenum unless/until he stinks. Then if Haskins shows the mettle to own the starting job next season, barring a diamond late round backup QB pick up (a la Cousins), keep Keenum as #2 next year as he'll have experience in the system to fall back on.
Keenum can't expect a big contract next time out, from anyone, and may well agree to stay for a reasonable cost. That gives us freedom to concentrate on other needs. Almost regardless how the TW situation turns out, and I strongly believe he's traded by week 1, we must at least think about a high pick on an LT, so having a decent backup QB is something I'd rather have in hand than use up a valuable pick on or bringing in yet another journeyman.

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I know, lets get this season out of the way, but with McCoy likely on the scrap heap and Smith almost certainly retiring or at least moving on, what about next year? I can't help thinking the best thing all round is to sit Haskins rather than risk spoiling his chances now, and start Keenum unless/until he stinks. Then if Haskins shows the mettle to own the starting job next season, barring a diamond late round backup QB pick up (a la Cousins), keep Keenum as #2 next year as he'll have experience in the system to fall back on.

Keenum can't expect a big contract next time out, from anyone, and may well agree to stay for a reasonable cost...

This is what I have been saying all along!

Give Dwayne Haskins a year to develop, then make him the starting QB next season.

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[Buffalo Bob]

Do not want Haskins out there until he is ready and the O- line play has improved. The success of the team is going to be based on how the last draft pans out and if injured players bounce back. That is shaky ground if you ask me.

[Meks]

We'll be 4-4 halfway thru in an already tough and highly contested conference and case will prolly see it thru barring injury.

[mredskins]

Look at the Baltimore blue print, they didn’t start Lamar until the end of the season.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

To be fair with Lamar it was more towards the middle of the season, Flacco got hurt, and they had the number 1 defense in the league last year. Just from a throwing perspective, Haskins is farther along than Jackson was as a rookie.

[Schneed10]

I don't think the question is whether you can expect a 2017 season from Keenum. That 2017 team had Stefon Diggs and Adam Thielen, the WR weapons were just night/day better than ours (fingers crossed on McLaurin tho).

The question for me is whether Keenum can give you what Alex Smith gave you before getting hurt. Smith was on pace for 3200 yards, 16 TDs, 8 INTs.

And he was 6-3 going into the game where he got hurt. With a healthy line and running game, with this defense, it's not far fetched for me to think Keenum can be what Alex was. The exception though is INTs. Alex was among the best at avoiding turnovers. But in 2017 Keenum only threw 7. Last year in Denver, he threw 15.

What you get from Keenum in the ball security department will determine everything. We're going to be a team with a small margin for error. We will limit teams on defense, so even an underachieving offense centered around a ground & pound style will still be in the game. The question is can Keenum convert just enough chances into points, or will he turn it over to the other team, and give them a short field for that field goal that makes the difference?

All I know is if you put Haskins in, you end up with 20 INTs and you're dead in the water from the jump. He's not there yet, we see it in the preseason.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't think the question is whether you can expect a 2017 season from Keenum. That 2017 team had Stefon Diggs and Adam Thielen, the WR weapons were just night/day better than ours (fingers crossed on McLaurin tho).

The question for me is whether Keenum can give you what Alex Smith gave you before getting hurt. Smith was on pace for 3200 yards, 16 TDs, 8 INTs.

And he was 6-3 going into the game where he got hurt. With a healthy line and running game, with this defense, it's not far fetched for me to think Keenum can be what Alex was. The exception though is INTs. Alex was among the best at avoiding turnovers. But in 2017 Keenum only threw 7. Last year in Denver, he threw 15.

What you get from Keenum in the ball security department will determine everything. We're going to be a team with a small margin for error. We will limit teams on defense, so even an underachieving offense centered around a ground & pound style will still be in the game. The question is can Keenum convert just enough chances into points, or will he turn it over to the other team, and give them a short field for that field goal that makes the difference?

All I know is if you put Haskins in, you end up with 20 INTs and you're dead in the water from the jump. He's not there yet, we see it in the preseason.

Agree, Case had a miracle season in 2017, 81.4 Grade was among the best QBs. Our WRs are not close and Terry will have growing pains, you hardly ever see a rookie WR come in and dominate, Case will be Alex Smith if he doesn't turn it over.