Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Giants at Redskins)

polywog · 09-12-2011, 07:35 PM

Oh, that I would lay down my life....to stop hearing about Doughty.

CrazyCanuck · 09-14-2011, 01:49 PM

TW - WTF?? Brutal game. Got abused almost every play even when he had double team help. This is the #4 pick? The guy who got $60M? The guy who has the biggest cap hit on our team ($10M)?? Somebody better wake this kid up, he looked like Heyer out there.

Secondary - D was good overall but our secondary looks vulnerable. When we play a team with a good OL and QB, they're gonna rip our secondary to shreds. I don't hate Doughty but he's a liability in coverage. We need Landry back asap and even then I'm not sure we'll be ok back there. We need a consistent pass rush to take some of the pressure off.

OL - new season, same old story. Considering we hardly addressed this unit in the offseason it's not a surprise. Good D's are just gonna send the house and Rexy will be running for his life (and fumbling along the way). And I saw no real push for the running game. OL remains a work in progress, continuing the 20-year theme...

12thMan · 09-14-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

TW - WTF?? Brutal game. Got abused almost every play even when he had double team help. This is the #4 pick? The guy who got $60M? The guy who has the biggest cap hit on our team ($10M)?? Somebody better wake this kid up, he looked like Heyer out there.

Secondary - D was good overall but our secondary looks vulnerable. When we play a team with a good OL and QB, they're gonna rip our secondary to shreds. I don't hate Doughty but he's a liability in coverage. We need Landry back asap and even then I'm not sure we'll be ok back there. We need a consistent pass rush to take some of the pressure off.

OL - new season, same old story. Considering we hardly addressed this unit in the offseason it's not a surprise. Good D's are just gonna send the house and Rexy will be running for his life (and fumbling along the way). And I saw no real push for the running game. OL remains a work in progress, continuing the 20-year theme...

Wait, we have a new center and two new guards and Trent is only in his second year. How much more could we possibly address the offensive line, for Pete's sake? It's silly.

And if Trent is so horrible, how's Okung working out for Seattle? It seems like people have a hard time giving this team credit when it looks like they're headed in the right direction.

CrazyCanuck · 09-14-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Wait, we have a new center and two new guards and Trent is only in his second year. How much more could we possibly address the offensive line, for Pete's sake? It's silly.

We have a new center and 2 new guards? Really? TW, Lichtensteiger, Brown, and Montgomery are all back. Chester is the only new face. Looks pretty similar to 2010 if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

And if Trent is so horrible, how's Okung working out for Seattle? It seems like people have a hard time giving this team credit when it looks like they're headed in the right direction.

Well that's a weak defense: Our 1st round LT and cap leader suck, but wait there's someone out there who's worse!!

And to be clear, I AM giving credit to the team. I loved the draft and most/all of the changes we made. I do think we're headed in the right direction. But it's not a crime to point out the areas we need improvement, especially since this is the Smackdown thread.

12thMan · 09-14-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

We have a new center and 2 new guards? Really? TW, Lichtensteiger, Brown, and Montgomery are all back. Chester is the only new face. Looks pretty similar to 2010 if you ask me.

Well that's a weak defense: Our 1st round LT and cap leader suck, but wait there's someone out there who's worse!!

And to be clear, I AM giving credit to the team. I loved the draft and most/all of the changes we made. I do think we're headed in the right direction. But it's not a crime to point out the areas we need improvement, especially since this is the Smackdown thread.

True, this is the Smackdown thread but I'm the anti-Smackdown. My defense is of the other available top OL in Trent's class, the Skins were either going with Trent or Okung. And given Okung's ankle problems, I think the Skins got it right and we should be a little more patient.

To clarify, the interior three didn't begin the 2010 season as starters at their respective positions, so while they are not new Redskins, they are starting the season as a unit for the first time.

CrustyRedskin · 09-14-2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by polywog

Oh, that I would lay down my life....to stop hearing about Doughty.

I dont know what yal were looking at, Reed was all over the field Sunday making plays every where, he was a freak, a manchild, he even caught a pass from Rex.

polywog · 09-14-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

I dont know what yal were looking at, Reed was all over the field Sunday making plays every where, he was a freak, a manchild, he even caught a pass from Rex.

Even in his holy absence....the man-love for Laron remains boundless.

MTK · 09-14-2011, 02:47 PM

TW needs to improve, no doubt. I think we have to have a little patience though too. He's a 2nd year LT who mostly played RT in college. He's still developing.

Pierre-Paul is no slouch either, he's gonna be good.

CrazyCanuck · 09-14-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

TW needs to improve, no doubt. I think we have to have a little patience though too. He's a 2nd year LT who mostly played RT in college. He's still developing.

Pierre-Paul is no slouch either, he's gonna be good.

Agreed. I'm not saying TW is a bust or any crap like that. Actually I hope he can become the best LT in the game one day. But he ain't there yet that's for sure.

53Fan · 09-14-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

TW needs to improve, no doubt. I think we have to have a little patience though too. He's a 2nd year LT who mostly played RT in college. He's still developing.

Pierre-Paul is no slouch either, he's gonna be good.

Yeah I heard Casserly talking about him and he's very impressed with him. Should be a pro bowler very soon.
Still I agree TW needs to improve. We didn't draft him that high to block the wannabe's.

GTripp0012 · 09-14-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

TW needs to improve, no doubt. I think we have to have a little patience though too. He's a 2nd year LT who mostly played RT in college. He's still developing.

Pierre-Paul is no slouch either, he's gonna be good.

And to think I had Pierre-Paul projected as a physical run defender only with limited pass rush skills.

Hard to say what his real upside is, but it certainly seems like I didn't give his skill set enough credit coming out of USF.

polywog · 09-14-2011, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

TW needs to improve, no doubt. I think we have to have a little patience though too. He's a 2nd year LT who mostly played RT in college. He's still developing.

Pierre-Paul is no slouch either, he's gonna be good.

The sophomore slump.

It has been the bane of many a player.

Defensewins · 09-14-2011, 03:02 PM

It is funny how people do not notice or care about the play of an offensive lineman or defensive back until they F- up. For all of the negative plays TW had Sunday, there twice as many or more positive plays that hardly anybody noticed.
He does have room for improvement. So does the rest of our team.

GTripp0012 · 09-14-2011, 03:04 PM

Trent has very quietly become our best run blocker after struggling in that aspect in the beginning of last season. That makes him a very good fit at OT in our system. But if we ever want him to be more than a system player -- and the 4th overall pick should never be a system guy -- he has to improve in pass protection.

polywog · 09-14-2011, 03:26 PM

My opinion of Trent is that he will be great....he ain't there yet, though.

Trent was a little too raw. Look at the video below and notice the inconsistent play.....

This was his last year at Oklahoma.....notice the QB getting killed by Trent - not exactly a good way to finish your collegiate career.

09-12-2011, 07:35 PM	#1
polywog Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Somewhere in Maryland.... Posts: 196	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Giants at Redskins) Oh, that I would lay down my life....to stop hearing about Doughty.

09-14-2011, 01:49 PM	#2
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Giants at Redskins) TW - WTF?? Brutal game. Got abused almost every play even when he had double team help. This is the #4 pick? The guy who got $60M? The guy who has the biggest cap hit on our team ($10M)?? Somebody better wake this kid up, he looked like Heyer out there. Secondary - D was good overall but our secondary looks vulnerable. When we play a team with a good OL and QB, they're gonna rip our secondary to shreds. I don't hate Doughty but he's a liability in coverage. We need Landry back asap and even then I'm not sure we'll be ok back there. We need a consistent pass rush to take some of the pressure off. OL - new season, same old story. Considering we hardly addressed this unit in the offseason it's not a surprise. Good D's are just gonna send the house and Rexy will be running for his life (and fumbling along the way). And I saw no real push for the running game. OL remains a work in progress, continuing the 20-year theme...

09-14-2011, 02:47 PM	#8
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,846	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Giants at Redskins) TW needs to improve, no doubt. I think we have to have a little patience though too. He's a 2nd year LT who mostly played RT in college. He's still developing. Pierre-Paul is no slouch either, he's gonna be good. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

09-14-2011, 03:02 PM	#13
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Giants at Redskins) It is funny how people do not notice or care about the play of an offensive lineman or defensive back until they F- up. For all of the negative plays TW had Sunday, there twice as many or more positive plays that hardly anybody noticed. He does have room for improvement. So does the rest of our team. Last edited by Defensewins; 09-14-2011 at 03:05 PM.

09-14-2011, 03:04 PM	#14
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Giants at Redskins) Trent has very quietly become our best run blocker after struggling in that aspect in the beginning of last season. That makes him a very good fit at OT in our system. But if we ever want him to be more than a system player -- and the 4th overall pick should never be a system guy -- he has to improve in pass protection. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

09-14-2011, 03:26 PM	#15
polywog Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Somewhere in Maryland.... Posts: 196	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Giants at Redskins) My opinion of Trent is that he will be great....he ain't there yet, though. Trent was a little too raw. Look at the video below and notice the inconsistent play..... This was his last year at Oklahoma.....notice the QB getting killed by Trent - not exactly a good way to finish your collegiate career.

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