NBA Screwed?: James Leaning Towards Heat

[CRedskinsRule]

SportingNews.com: NBA megadeals prove NFL players aren't overpaid ...
Jul 7, 2010 ... Total revenue by sport. 1. MLB ($6.6 billion) 2. NFL ($6.5 billion) 3. NBA ($3.2 billion) 4. NHL ($2.4 billion). The percentage of revenue ...
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/.../sportingnewscom-nba-megadeals-prove-nfl-players-arent-overpaid/ - Cached

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

SportingNews.com: NBA megadeals prove NFL players aren't overpaid ...
Jul 7, 2010 ... Total revenue by sport. 1. MLB ($6.6 billion) 2. NFL ($6.5 billion) 3. NBA ($3.2 billion) 4. NHL ($2.4 billion). The percentage of revenue ...
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/.../sportingnewscom-nba-megadeals-prove-nfl-players-arent-overpaid/ - Cached

Fair enough, thanks!


Poor S10, right now he is scrambling putting together massive pivot charts and tables trying to show proof, when this is all I needed. =)

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Fair enough, thanks!


Poor S10, right now he is scrambling putting together massive pivot charts and tables trying to show proof, when this is all I needed. =)

Nah, CRedskins did me the solid. I was just going to say something to the effect of "how come you didn't know that??"

I thought it was common knowledge that baseball dominates the NBA in popularity.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

SportingNews.com: NBA megadeals prove NFL players aren't overpaid ...
Jul 7, 2010 ... Total revenue by sport. 1. MLB ($6.6 billion) 2. NFL ($6.5 billion) 3. NBA ($3.2 billion) 4. NHL ($2.4 billion). The percentage of revenue ...
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/.../sportingnewscom-nba-megadeals-prove-nfl-players-arent-overpaid/ - Cached

So that's revenue that includes everything then-tickets sales, tv, merchandise? And does that factor in the fact that (looking only at MLB vs. NBA, NFL is clearly at the head of the class) that the NBA season is half as long as MLB's?

Most people do say MLB is more popular though when polled, though I think NBA is growing at a faster rate internationally (not sure on that though)

Either way, been a season ticket holder of the Wizards for over 15 years. Love the NBA, in spite of some its flaws. And yeah I like to watch the superstars play, what's wrong with that? Realize that a handful of teams have won it all the past several years (Lakers, Celtics, Spurs, Pistons) but is that so different from Patriots, Steelers, Cowboys, Broncos? And I think there are plenty of teams with a legit chance to win it all each year.

[MTK]

MLB crushes the NBA? Are we sure about that, especially when taking into account worldwide popularity? Shouldn't we also consider other factors such as merch sales, TV ratings, etc.

Of course baseball trumps them in revenue, bigger stadiums, more games. That factor has to be taken into account.

Pretty sure NBA TV ratings are higher than MLB.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

MLB crushes the NBA? Are we sure about that, especially when taking into account worldwide popularity? Shouldn't we also consider other factors such as merch sales, TV ratings, etc.

Of course baseball trumps them in revenue, bigger stadiums, more games. That factor has to be taken into account.

Pretty sure NBA TV ratings are higher than MLB.

Beat me to it

Regular season ratings NBA has tended to do better than MLB, wheres it's slightly the reverse during the playoffs.

NBA tends to do a bit better on digital platforms

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

MLB crushes the NBA? Are we sure about that, especially when taking into account worldwide popularity? Shouldn't we also consider other factors such as merch sales, TV ratings, etc.

Of course baseball trumps them in revenue, bigger stadiums, more games. That factor has to be taken into account.

Pretty sure NBA TV ratings are higher than MLB.

But NBA ticket prices are higher than baseball's, and the size of the stadiums match the demand for tickets. If teams thought they could sell more tickets, they'd build bigger arenas, no matter how bad the sight lines got.

Merchandise sales would be included in the revenue numbers you're seeing there.

[Schneed10]

While the MLB regular season is longer, the NBA post season is much longer, with more teams involved and hence more games.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

While the MLB regular season is longer, the NBA post season is much longer, with more teams involved and hence more games.

Still it is a huge dealt it is almost as big as the NBA's entire season (1144 games), consider the regular season and if you played ever playoff series to 7 games. That is a lot more opportunity for more revenue for the MLB.

MLB

15 x 162 2430
7 series x 7 49

2479 total games

NBA
15x 82 1230
15 series x 7 105

1335 total games


I leaning towards Matty's TV ratings as a better gauge.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Still it is a huge dealt it is almost as big as the NBA's entire season (1144 games), consider the regular season and if you played ever playoff series to 7 games. That is a lot more opportunity for more revenue for the MLB.

MLB

15 x 162 2430
7 series x 7 49

2479 total games

NBA
15x 82 1230
15 series x 7 105

1335 total games


I leaning towards Matty's TV ratings as a better gauge.

Right but like I said, NBA ticket prices are much much higher. Helps makes up for the fewer games.

Revenue is by far the better measure, it shows what the fans are willing to pay to consume the product. The price of the ticket is going to change based on the demand for the seats, the supply of the seats, and the supply of the games. It says something that MLB is able to sell the tickets they do to 162 games, it shows demand for the product is higher than the NBA. Because if demand for the NBA's product were higher, they'd either build bigger arenas or raise the ticket prices to generate more revenue.

It is business after all. Supply & demand drives everything, the revenue generated is ultimately supported by fan interest.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Right but like I said, NBA ticket prices are much much higher. Helps makes up for the fewer games.

Revenue is by far the better measure, it shows what the fans are willing to pay to consume the product. The price of the ticket is going to change based on the demand for the seats, the supply of the seats, and the supply of the games. It says something that MLB is able to sell the tickets they do to 162 games, it shows demand for the product is higher than the NBA. Because if demand for the NBA's product were higher, they'd either build bigger arenas or raise the ticket prices to generate more revenue.

It is business after all. Supply & demand drives everything, the revenue generated is ultimately supported by fan interest.

Dude the MLB almost plays two seasons worth of NBA basketball in one season. That is a huge gap.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Dude the MLB almost plays two seasons worth of NBA basketball in one season. That is a huge gap.

Yeah I know, you're missing my point. Short of repeating the same exact post over again, all I can say is that the ticket prices adjust based on the number of games and number of seats available, and based on the demand for said seats.

Despite the game difference, if the NBA were more popular than MLB, people would pay quadruple the ticket price, given the fewer games and smaller arenas.

But they don't do that.

[Monkeydad]

I can't blame him for leaving Cleveland...they will never win there, with or without LeBron James.

I also can't criticize him for wanting to win, or taking less than Max Contract money to assemble a better team.

However, I don't think the Heat will win. They have 3 VERY expensive players, who will leave room for Mike Miller (barely) and 8 more minimum contract scrubs. The bench will have zero depth barring any surprise stepping up from minimum wage players.

I think he should have gone to the Bulls. Their overall roster is far superior than Miami's gutted team to afford 3 top free agents. They have Derrick Rose, who could end up being as good as Wade, Boozer (comparable to Bosh when healthy), Noah, Deng, Taj Gibson is a good young talent, even Brad Miller and Pargo are better-than-average players off the bench. I also have doubts about Wade and James co-existing. They will both have to cut back their stats and share the spotlight.

I think LeBron has the right intentions, to win, even if it requires taking less money and sharing the team...but I think he made the wrong choice.

I expect Pay Riley to step back onto the sidelines, firing another coach when it looks like he could come in and get credit for success. I used to respect him a lot as a coach, but it seems he is only willing to coach when it looks like things are going good. When the team struggles, he steps back into an office job and lets some other temporary coach deal with the team and get the blame.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Buster

I can't blame him for leaving Cleveland...they will never win there, with or without LeBron James.

I also can't criticize him for wanting to win, or taking less than Max Contract money to assemble a better team.

However, I don't think the Heat will win. They have 3 VERY expensive players, who will leave room for Mike Miller (barely) and 8 more minimum contract scrubs. The bench will have zero depth barring any surprise stepping up from minimum wage players.

I think he should have gone to the Bulls. Their overall roster is far superior than Miami's gutted team to afford 3 top free agents. They have Derrick Rose, who could end up being as good as Wade, Boozer (comparable to Bosh when healthy), Noah, Deng, Taj Gibson is a good young talent, even Brad Miller and Pargo are better-than-average players off the bench. I also have doubts about Wade and James co-existing. They will both have to cut back their stats and share the spotlight.

I think LeBron has the right intentions, to win, even if it requires taking less money and sharing the team...but I think he made the wrong choice.

I expect Pay Riley to step back onto the sidelines, firing another coach when it looks like he could come in and get credit for success. I used to respect him a lot as a coach, but it seems he is only willing to coach when it looks like things are going good. When the team struggles, he steps back into an office job and lets some other temporary coach deal with the team and get the blame.

Good post, I totally agree on all points.

I hope all implodes and Wade and James can't live together.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Good post, I totally agree on all points.

I hope all implodes and Wade and James can't live together.

(As a Bulls fan) I was hoping Wade would go to the Bulls...for a day or two, it seemed very likely.

The East seems as strong, or stronger than the West this upcoming year.


East contenders:
Heat
Bulls
Magic
Celtics
Atlanta
Charlotte - Don't laugh, they're getting good.

West contenders:
Nuggets
Lakers
Blazers
Spurs - getting very old though

downgraded:
Utah - lost Boozer
Phoenix - lost Amare