The hypocrisy of the ________

[mooby]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Its absolutely amazing the excuses and the blaming of others, people are making for those 2 piece of shits. We can never just say they were evil losers and what happened was solely their faults.

Is that it?

Those guys are evil losers and what happened was solely their faults.

Alright guys time for the next phase, let's let it die down until it happens again.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by mooby

Is that it?

Those guys are evil losers and what happened was solely their faults.

Alright guys time for the next phase, let's let it die down until it happens again.

We need to work on how to prevent these people from reaching this point or stopping them before they can.

I was talking strictly about all the blame and excuses there is for those 2. They were losers and its not anyone elses fault besides their own for the shootings.

[Chico23231]

I think it’s been past time to address crazy people with access to guns. The problem is defining crazy. We are a nation on perception drugs for various things. The red flag thinking from the president is a good start imo, but I think it can be expanded.

Also fighting white supremacy online is another talking point. As well as the mental health crisis we are seeing rapidly increasing with younger generations. This is a multi prong issue...but when we see historical lows of gun violence since 1993...the narrative of gun control is an absolute failure.

So if we are gonna come out thinking bans on guns or assault rifles, count me out.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think it’s been past time to address crazy people with access to guns. The problem is defining crazy. We are a nation on perception drugs for various things. The red flag thinking from the president is a good start imo, but I think it can be expanded.

Also fighting white supremacy online is another talking point. As well as the mental health crisis we are seeing rapidly increasing with younger generations. This is a multi prong issue...but when we see historical lows of gun violence since 1993...the narrative of gun control is an absolute failure.

So if we are gonna come out thinking bans on guns or assault rifles, count me out.

I am not sure if you are talking about mental illness or not but there is zero correltaion between mental illness and perpertrating violence. In fact the research shows that they are more likely the victims. The scientific research just doesn't validate the view point that mental illness is a driving factor for violence towards others.

I think where red flag laws will have the greatest impact is on suicides. A significant portion of suicides since about 50% are impulsivity and I think that is something important to consider.

In terms of gun control I will have to disagree. Just because we are at lows does not mean we can't do better. U.S. firearm homicide rate is 7 times higher than the next developed country, Canada, which if you look at their gun control legislation, I personally think it is something both democrats and most republicans can get behind. Since the assault weapon ban ended mass shootings have increased 183%, while there are other variables at play access has a significant impact on the increase. Furthermore states with stricter gun access laws have lower firearm homicide rates. Once again there are other variables that assist that correlation. Lastly and to me this is an important one because I love the ladies, an increase in state wide firearm owenership increases female firearm associated homicide. The research found for each 10% state level increase there was a 10% increase in female homicde victioms related to firearms.

Personally I hope congress is willing to make comprehensive federal background checks a priority. The research shows countries that do better with this have lower firearm homicide rates. This would be a good start and gun control that almost 90% of the population agrees is important. I would like to go back to the assualt weapon ban, but recognize that, that is probably not going to happen. If we can't get comprehensive background checks agreed upon I fear that we are accepting mass shootings as a way of life in America.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think it’s been past time to address crazy people with access to guns. The problem is defining crazy. We are a nation on perception drugs for various things. The red flag thinking from the president is a good start imo, but I think it can be expanded.

Also fighting white supremacy online is another talking point. As well as the mental health crisis we are seeing rapidly increasing with younger generations. This is a multi prong issue...but when we see historical lows of gun violence since 1993...the narrative of gun control is an absolute failure.

So if we are gonna come out thinking bans on guns or assault rifles, count me out.

You start off strong but finish weak. Sorry Baltimore Skins, I think an assault rifle ban is an unattainable goal. Would it help? Sure. But I am fine settling for solutions that even Republicans could get behind.

I'll settle for improved background checks. The Dayton shooter made a rape list and a kill list in high school. How hard would it be to put a note on his permanent record mentioning that, then have it come up when he tries to buy whatever gun he used for the murders? And it's not just him, a ton of these shooters had previous red flags that were all ignored. We need a better database and a uniform system across the board that would improve background checks.

[Chico23231]

Both post are not addressing why. Y’all are falling into the same narratives...

Again, let me address the false narratives on constant blast from the left ...first gun homicides rates have drastically dropped since highs in the early 90s, dropping over half. Violent crime is historical lows across the board. School shootings...probably the biggest left lie, schools are much safer than they have ever been. Period. School shootings are not at epidemic levels. Also if you are gonna quote overall gun deaths, remove suicide deaths which skew. Also, handguns overwhelmingly are used in gun violence, not assault weapons.

What do we need to talk about is the rising phenomenon of mass shooter incidents and look at the causes. The mental health crisis in this country is very real. Look at the suicide rates among young people. What is encouraging is we talk about it more, but unconsciously still participate in behaviors which lead to problems. Oprah is right, we are lacking a moral core...
https://time.com/5550803/depression-...e-rates-youth/

Gun background checks are not new...we have a program in place. Assault weapon...I would favor an increase age ownership to like 24. Red flag laws make most sense.

If you want to go after the front lines of gun violence which are inner cities such as Baltimore, Chicago, Cleveland, St. Louis...I find it laughable the left hates guns so much, but won’t support legislation that puts a person behind bars for mandatory 5 years for an illegal possession of one. The hypocrisy is truly amazing.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Both post are not addressing why. Y’all are falling into the same narratives...

Again, let me address the false narratives on constant blast from the left ...first gun homicides rates have drastically dropped since highs in the early 90s, dropping over half. Violent crime is historical lows across the board. School shootings...probably the biggest left lie, schools are much safer than they have ever been. Period. School shootings are not at epidemic levels. Also if you are gonna quote overall gun deaths, remove suicide deaths which skew. Also, handguns overwhelmingly are used in gun violence, not assault weapons.

What do we need to talk about is the rising phenomenon of mass shooter incidents and look at the causes. The mental health crisis in this country is very real. Look at the suicide rates among young people. What is encouraging is we talk about it more, but unconsciously still participate in behaviors which lead to problems. Oprah is right, we are lacking a moral core...
https://time.com/5550803/depression-...e-rates-youth/

Gun background checks are not new...we have a program in place. Assault weapon...I would favor an increase age ownership to like 24. Red flag laws make most sense.

If you want to go after the front lines of gun violence which are inner cities such as Baltimore, Chicago, Cleveland, St. Louis...I find it laughable the left hates guns so much, but won’t support legislation that puts a person behind bars for mandatory 5 years for an illegal possession of one. The hypocrisy is truly amazing.

Chico , you are the problem . You and people like you that want to make this about Politics instead of solutions .Biggest problem in Gun control today is the ignorance of people /voters like chico.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Chico , you are the problem . You and people like you that want to make this about Politics instead of solutions .Biggest problem in Gun control today is the ignorance of people /voters like chico.

[Chico23231]

G1 read my 2 post and let’s list out what I’ve recommended:

1) a national directive to fight online extremism like we already fight Islamic extremist focused on white, nationalist extremists and antifa
2) red flag law
3) raise age to own assault rifle to 23 or 24
4) focus on mental health issues facing kids within the education system
5) bring mandatory 5 for possession of an illegal firearm.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

G1 read my 2 post and let’s list out what I’ve recommended:

1) a national directive to fight online extremism like we already fight Islamic extremist focused on white, nationalist extremists and antifa
2) red flag law
3) raise age to own assault rifle to 23 or 24
4) focus on mental health issues facing kids within the education system
5) bring mandatory 5 for possession of an illegal firearm.

chico read your last post, left this , left that .


..............chico, you're the problem.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

chico read your last post, left this , left that .


..............chico, you're the problem.

I will slay the left and media false narratives with glee because we really should focus on the real issue and not bullshit. If you want to hold onto false narratives and lies of the media and the left then simply state what you truly want, all guns made illegal. In this case the phenomenon of the mass shooter event is the real issue we need to face.

I’m happy to slay false narratives from the right such as “more guns is the answer”

And most would say proposals such as red flag law, raising the age of assault weapon ownership as radical on the right.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Chico every statistic I gave you has been replicated in studies. It all deals with gun homicide. We are still significantly higher rates than any other country and it is not even close. None of them include suicide. It is all gun related homicide data. If you want I can provide research papers that are all replicable in their analysis.

Mooby I agree we will not see a reinstatement of the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act. I am willing to compromise on strengthened and universal background checks but I don’t think we will see it.

[Chico23231]

It’s just really tough to compare our culture to others and say we should emulate other countries when it’s really not a true comparison. Like when Bernie says we will be just like Sweden or Denmark or whatever socialist country...these aren’t comparable, and would never work.

But as a country we have trended way down to historical lows when it comes to violent crime and gun homicides. I’m willing to do more.

The federal assault weapon ban did not work the first time...the evidence is clear.

We will never ban weapons here because it’s the Ultimate check to the government power. Just think if China and Venezuela had armed citizens, those regimes would fall.


Now you would surely support a federal 5 year mandatory for possession of illegal weapon? Because folks who shouldnt have one should be punished for possessing one?

[BaltimoreSkins]

I agree that we are different. Culturally the constitution and the second amendment make guns a way of life in a way that is far more extreme than any other country. But I believe America is the best country in the world and while we may never have the lowest gun homicide rates for a developed country I don’t believe we have to accept our current status.

I also don’t think we should have a van on weapons just certain ones like assault weapons. You reference theban did not work I would love to see data if you have it share on that.

In terms of sentencing I would definitely be in favor of a 5 year prison sentence for possession of an illegal firearm. Mandatory? For most situations. I don’t think an adult with Down’s syndrome for example or a 13 year old should be held to those standards but an adult in the median of the bell curve no problem

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I agree that we are different. Culturally the constitution and the second amendment make guns a way of life in a way that is far more extreme than any other country. But I believe America is the best country in the world and while we may never have the lowest gun homicide rates for a developed country I don’t believe we have to accept our current status.

I also don’t think we should have a van on weapons just certain ones like assault weapons. You reference theban did not work I would love to see data if you have it share on that.

In terms of sentencing I would definitely be in favor of a 5 year prison sentence for possession of an illegal firearm. Mandatory? For most situations. I don’t think an adult with Down’s syndrome for example or a 13 year old should be held to those standards but an adult in the median of the bell curve no problem

Cool...yeah certainly some situations like that who wouldn't want to prosecute.

I also think there is an opportunity with technology in the development of "smart gun" where gun owners can only operate their own gun. Responsible gun ownership has always been a problem...too many stories of children accidently shooting themselves with owners who negligently leave guns out or guns being easily stolen only to be used in other crimes.