Election Day Thread - Nov. 3, 2020

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

When Obama first ran for president I was struck by his positive energy, his intelligence, they way he spoke about hope and change. I never voted before Obama. I remember he did a speech in Baltimore and downtown was shut down. The crowds were huge. I remember we were literally running for a with few hundred other people to be the last to get into this section to see his speech and they literally had to close the gates right in front of us. We watched on TVs they set it in the inner harbor. I felt like a teenage girl running to see the Beatles for the first time. The energy and feeing was amazing. Hugging strangers. To see the faces of old black women and men seeing a black man being elected as president was so amazing. I felt like I was experiencing America back when JFK was elected.

Trump seems to be that for 60 million plus of my fellow Americans. Why can’t they have their Obama? Why aren’t they allowed to feel the energy of a president like I did with Obama?

I just can’t get past the fact that one man worked his way through life with nothing. Another was born to a rich millionaire. One man made it to the Ivy League on his brains and intelligence. The other was a paid for admission. One man was married to one woman, the other had multiple wives, had sex with a porn star while his wife was just gave birth and is currently in a contractual marriage to a woman who hates Christmas.

^ but these are the same elitist thoughts that partly gave birth to trump. Trump is a product of social media and hate. He is literally a reality tv show star.

To go from Obama to Donald Trump is so sad to me. But I can’t discount a vote for trump. We are all allowed a vote and a say. It is what it is. I can’t say I know better or I’m smarter than them. Even though college educated greatly lean left and non college greatly lean right.

But I imagine what you want to hear is “no alll trumps aren’t confederate flag waving rednecks and he got voters from all spectrums”

This was easily disproven from the first election data and I imagine even more so this time from what I’ve seen of the Hispanic and black men numbers.

I think Biden still has a strong path, I’m still thinking he wins. But when I see Democrats LOSING Congressional seats in BLUE STATES in a Presidential year with massive record turnout and an historically unpopular Republican incumbent in office...there is a serious problem in the dem party.

Holding the senate is most important imo

[Chico23231]

I want to state this again, Trump should not be in this...how is he is maybe bigger than 2016. It makes zero sense.

[SunnySide]

I hope Biden wins presidency and with republicans keeping the senate = good ole political grid lock which I think would be best. A 4 year cooling period

I thought the data from 2916 showed Trump getting over 80% of the white non college vote ... but that’s me being dismissive of a large section of American men and women. My dad was a construction worker who painted lines in the middle of roads before he died when I was young. He was a redneck. Would probably be a huge trump supporter. We lived in a moveable home. If he never died I would probably be a trump supporter. But he did and my mom remarried a lawyer and I was gifted a educated liberal life so here I am. Instead of a construction worker redneck I’m a lawyer with a biracial daughter.

I’m tired work is gonna suck today

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

You literally think the Manhattan DA doesn't have enough evidence to bring state charges?

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/30...mp-and-russia/

Harvard researched.

Evidence of that power and how irresponsibly it is used is found in a recent Harvard-Harris poll for April 2020. A majority of Americans, 53 percent, believe the Christopher Steele dossier “was real in its findings of Trump colluding with the Russians.” Only 47 percent of Americans chose the factually correct option that it was Clinton-funded campaign oppo fueled by disinformation.

The Steele dossier, and its central and elaborate theory that Trump was a secret agent of the Russian government who had betrayed his country to steal the 2016 election, has been completely discredited by multiple government investigations. The limitless special counsel probe, ostensibly led by Robert Mueller, could find no evidence that Trump had colluded with Russia. In fact, the Mueller team could find no evidence that any American had colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election.


But yeah don Quito keep chasing them windmills

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I’m going by Fox News counts.

Biden at 238
Trump at 213

If Biden wins Nevada (6), Wisconsin (10), Michigan (16) that puts him at exactly 270.

Trump wins Pennsylvania (20), n Carolina (15), Georgia (16), Alaska (3) gets him to 267.

I’ve been up since 4:30, can someone check my math?

Razor thin margins

CNN just confirmed this math.

This seems to be the likely outcome as long as Biden holds Nevada. I’m giving Biden Wisconsin and Michigan.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

JFC...are you telling me Bigly is still in this thing? Lol

I swear the Dems can’t beat a widely unpopular president in a year of something never seen before like Covid...if your a dem you have to question a lot within your party.

I do already, my views don't align with the party as a whole and I think they propped up Biden because there is no one candidate that stands out. The platform is stale, even if Biden wins the only thing he's gonna do different is not be Trump.

The question now becomes, if Trump wins who runs in 4 years? Is this the new direction of the Republican party? Because I look at how Trump how you look at BLM, in my eyes Trump represents the radical side of the Republican party.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

When Obama first ran for president I was struck by his positive energy, his intelligence, they way he spoke about hope and change. I never voted before Obama. I remember he did a speech in Baltimore and downtown was shut down. The crowds were huge. I remember we were literally running for a with few hundred other people to be the last to get into this section to see his speech and they literally had to close the gates right in front of us. We watched on TVs they set it in the inner harbor. I felt like a teenage girl running to see the Beatles for the first time. The energy and feeing was amazing. Hugging strangers. To see the faces of old black women and men seeing a black man being elected as president was so amazing. I felt like I was experiencing America back when JFK was elected.



Trump seems to be that for 60 million plus of my fellow Americans. Why can’t they have their Obama? Why aren’t they allowed to feel the energy of a president like I did with Obama?



I just can’t get past the fact that one man worked his way through life with nothing. Another was born to a rich millionaire. One man made it to the Ivy League on his brains and intelligence. The other was a paid for admission. One man was married to one woman, the other had multiple wives, had sex with a porn star while his wife was just gave birth and is currently in a contractual marriage to a woman who hates Christmas.



^ but these are the same elitist thoughts that partly gave birth to trump. Trump is a product of social media and hate. He is literally a reality tv show star.



To go from Obama to Donald Trump is so sad to me. But I can’t discount a vote for trump. We are all allowed a vote and a say. It is what it is. I can’t say I know better or I’m smarter than them. Even though college educated greatly lean left and non college greatly lean right.



But I imagine what you want to hear is “no alll trumps aren’t confederate flag waving rednecks and he got voters from all spectrums”

After Pres Obama's first State of the Union I came on here praising him because I wanted to believe. But his words were fairly hollow, though very smooth.

I voted libertarian in 2012.

What I "want to hear" is an acknowledgement from both sides that the debate is not about the person but the discussions should be how do these two Americas find common ground when the views and ideas are so distinctly opposite.

The views and ideas are not new by any standard. One size fits all federal ruled government vs the rights of individuals and states is as old as our constitution. Individual responsibility vs shared obligations isn't a Trump thing or Obama thing, it is a view of life thing. USA independence or world interdependence has been around since the Monroe doctrine was formed and before that when George Washington warned of the dangers of becoming entangled in foreign disputes.

Both sides in the US have some valid positions, but someone (i don't know who or how) needs to span the central truths that 70% of Americans believe and create policies for those 65-70%, leaving the loud vocal minorities on BOTH sides out of the discussion.

I "want that" at least here on the Warpath we all can set aside the pettiness that the leaders of both parties (Trump, McConnell, Pelosi, and Schumer are all petty in there own way) and discuss how to forge a workable common future path for the university educated and those educated by life, for those who live in downtown Baltimore and those who work on a farm in Kansas.

More people voted for Trump this time then last time. He will still lose the popular vote.
I believe alot of people who voted for trump were cursing the political system for making me vote for such a rotten person not because i like him, but because my ideas of how government should work are far more closely aligned with his policies than Biden's big government solutions.



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[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/30...mp-and-russia/

Harvard researched.

Evidence of that power and how irresponsibly it is used is found in a recent Harvard-Harris poll for April 2020. A majority of Americans, 53 percent, believe the Christopher Steele dossier “was real in its findings of Trump colluding with the Russians.” Only 47 percent of Americans chose the factually correct option that it was Clinton-funded campaign oppo fueled by disinformation.

The Steele dossier, and its central and elaborate theory that Trump was a secret agent of the Russian government who had betrayed his country to steal the 2016 election, has been completely discredited by multiple government investigations. The limitless special counsel probe, ostensibly led by Robert Mueller, could find no evidence that Trump had colluded with Russia. In fact, the Mueller team could find no evidence that any American had colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election.


But yeah don Quito keep chasing them windmills

I'm literally not even talking about that. I'm talking about Cohen telling anybody who would listen that Trump was undervaluing his properties for his taxes and overvaluing his properties when applying for loans. That's fraud.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

I do already, my views don't align with the party as a whole and I think they propped up Biden because there is no one candidate that stands out. The platform is stale, even if Biden wins the only thing he's gonna do different is not be Trump.

The question now becomes, if Trump wins who runs in 4 years? Is this the new direction of the Republican party? Because I look at how Trump how you look at BLM, in my eyes Trump represents the radical side of the Republican party.

2024 is Nikki Haley...she will win too.


BLM the organization is trash Mooby. You can read their charter and it has Marxist roots. You don’t think that’s radical? Do you think rioting, violence looting is acceptable? Do you think them not disavowing the violence and working with group who promote confrontation is not radical?

Do you know what radical means?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

After Pres Obama's first State of the Union I came on here praising him because I wanted to believe. But his words were fairly hollow, though very smooth.

I voted libertarian in 2012.

What I "want to hear" is an acknowledgement from both sides that the debate is not about the person but the discussions should be how do these two Americas find common ground when the views and ideas are so distinctly opposite.

The views and ideas are not new by any standard. One size fits all federal ruled government vs the rights of individuals and states is as old as our constitution. Individual responsibility vs shared obligations isn't a Trump thing or Obama thing, it is a view of life thing. USA independence or world interdependence has been around since the Monroe doctrine was formed and before that when George Washington warned of the dangers of becoming entangled in foreign disputes.

Both sides in the US have some valid positions, but someone (i don't know who or how) needs to span the central truths that 70% of Americans believe and create policies for those 65-70%, leaving the loud vocal minorities on BOTH sides out of the discussion.

I "want that" at least here on the Warpath we all can set aside the pettiness that the leaders of both parties (Trump, McConnell, Pelosi, and Schumer are all petty in there own way) and discuss how to forge a workable common future path for the university educated and those educated by life, for those who live in downtown Baltimore and those who work on a farm in Kansas.

More people voted for Trump this time then last time. He will still lose the popular vote.
I believe alot of people who voted for trump were cursing the political system for making me vote for such a rotten person not because i like him, but because my ideas of how government should work are far more closely aligned with his policies than Biden's big government solutions.



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Well said Cred. I agree. Everytime a key moment arises where one party refuses to work with the other it widens the divide a little deeper. If we could all compromise and work together we could have an America where everybody could succeed, but I don't believe that's possible without the 1% increasing their burden.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

After Pres Obama's first State of the Union I came on here praising him because I wanted to believe. But his words were fairly hollow, though very smooth.

I voted libertarian in 2012.

What I "want to hear" is an acknowledgement from both sides that the debate is not about the person but the discussions should be how do these two Americas find common ground when the views and ideas are so distinctly opposite.

The views and ideas are not new by any standard. One size fits all federal ruled government vs the rights of individuals and states is as old as our constitution. Individual responsibility vs shared obligations isn't a Trump thing or Obama thing, it is a view of life thing. USA independence or world interdependence has been around since the Monroe doctrine was formed and before that when George Washington warned of the dangers of becoming entangled in foreign disputes.

Both sides in the US have some valid positions, but someone (i don't know who or how) needs to span the central truths that 70% of Americans believe and create policies for those 65-70%, leaving the loud vocal minorities on BOTH sides out of the discussion.

I "want that" at least here on the Warpath we all can set aside the pettiness that the leaders of both parties (Trump, McConnell, Pelosi, and Schumer are all petty in there own way) and discuss how to forge a workable common future path for the university educated and those educated by life, for those who live in downtown Baltimore and those who work on a farm in Kansas.

More people voted for Trump this time then last time. He will still lose the popular vote.
I believe alot of people who voted for trump were cursing the political system for making me vote for such a rotten person not because i like him, but because my ideas of how government should work are far more closely aligned with his policies than Biden's big government solutions.



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Preach CRED. Gesus, what you wrote is a beautiful manifesto for the middle America. Seriously you wrote out in words and thoughts I couldn’t and wish I could articulate ... but I disagree with Obama hollow part lol

I’m too tired to answer the call of your question and try and identify specifics of common ground right now

Well said

[SunnySide]

Michigan is sooooo close to flipping to Biden

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

2024 is Nikki Haley...she will win too.


BLM the organization is trash Mooby. You can read their charter and it has Marxist roots. You don’t think that’s radical? Do you think rioting, violence looting is acceptable? Do you think them not disavowing the violence and working with group who promote confrontation is not radical?

Do you know what radical means?

Can you link me to their national charter?

I'm just going off Wikipedia, which sources their statements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_...%20and%20goals.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

The originators of the hashtag and call to action, Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi, expanded their project into a national network of over 30 local chapters between 2014 and 2016.[11] The overall Black Lives Matter movement is a decentralized network of activists with no formal hierarchy.[12]

[SunnySide]

Only 64% of the vote counted in Pennsylvania with remaining votes being mail in .... Pennsylvania is heavily play for Biden as well

Feeling better today than I did last night

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Only 64% of the vote counted in Pennsylvania with remaining votes being mail in .... Pennsylvania is heavily play for Biden as well

Feeling better today than I did last night

MSN/AP has Trump ahead by 700k in PA, I'm really not sure if it's possible to come back from that much.

Edit: MSN/AP has 75% counted in PA, with 5.3 mil counted so far, which means roughly 1.3 mil left to count. So yeah Biden could flip PA but it would have to mean a heavy majority of ballots left would have to favor him.