2024 Early Bird Draft Thread

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I don't care what they do at #2. I'd be surprised if they don't select a QB, but who knows. Trade up, trade down, make a selection - I will defer to the experts on what the best thing for this team is. It's tough to imagine that they traded Sam and don't plan to select a QB at # 2 though.

This.

Well maybe 98%. I absolutely believe they have a plan whether it's trade down or whether It's take a QB at 2 they know what they are going to do and I am completely on board with it. I just wish it wasn't a month away.

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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

This.

Well maybe 98%. I absolutely believe they have a plan whether it's trade down or whether It's take a QB at 2 they know what they are going to do and I am completely on board with it. I just wish it wasn't a month away.

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Not me. I will be thoroughly disappointed if they trade out of the top 3.
I am no expert but I don’t see how this quarterback starved franchise can pass on one of these three guys. If whoever we pick goes full Shuler or RG-3 I can live with it. It happens all the time, but like many others have said you keep trying until you get it right. You have to take the best option available at quarterback until you get it right. If next years class was supposedly loaded I could almost understand grabbing an OT and a bunch of picks but next years class looks weak at the moment. Also we have 8 other picks, 5 in the top 100, so it isn’t like we are hurting for good picks. Strike while the iron is hot. Top 3 pick with 3 stud quarterbacks available? 9 draft picks - 6 in the top 100? The iron isn’t going to get any hotter. Like Quake said, get ready to welcome JD, or Maye to the team.

[mooby]

We have a strong tradition of winning Super Bowls with non-HOF qb's - I had no idea there were people here who want to keep that tradition going.

I think it's become readily apparent in the last 5 years that you need two qb's - you should always be developing a late round guy because you can't take it for granted your qb won't get injured. There's maybe only 5 qb's (don't quote me on that lol) that manage to stay healthy every year and 2 of them recently retired in the last few years (Brady, Eli Manning).

Worse case scenario you draft a qb with a late rounder and he never sees the field because the starter is good and never gets hurt. And if the starter does get hurt or plays poorly you give the developmental guy some PT.

Even if a guy is a backup he's worth draft capital. Howell played like ass in the second half last year and we still managed to trade him for the equivalent of a late 3rd rounder (which is a net gain from the 5th round where he was drafted). It speaks to how overvalued qb's are.

If we draft a late round qb and he sucks, great. Easily cuttable with no huge cap hit and you can always draft another one while signing a veteran backup. My entire point is - you need a minimum of 2 solid or potentially solid qb options on a roster nowadays.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

We have a strong tradition of winning Super Bowls with non-HOF qb's - I had no idea there were people here who want to keep that tradition going.

I think it's become readily apparent in the last 5 years that you need two qb's - you should always be developing a late round guy because you can't take it for granted your qb won't get injured. There's maybe only 5 qb's (don't quote me on that lol) that manage to stay healthy every year and 2 of them recently retired in the last few years (Brady, Eli Manning).

Worse case scenario you draft a qb with a late rounder and he never sees the field because the starter is good and never gets hurt. And if the starter does get hurt or plays poorly you give the developmental guy some PT.

Even if a guy is a backup he's worth draft capital. Howell played like ass in the second half last year and we still managed to trade him for the equivalent of a late 3rd rounder (which is a net gain from the 5th round where he was drafted). It speaks to how overvalued qb's are.

If we draft a late round qb and he sucks, great. Easily cuttable with no huge cap hit and you can always draft another one while signing a veteran backup. My entire point is - you need a minimum of 2 solid or potentially solid qb options on a roster nowadays.

agree with you i am just not sure with the amount of holes on this roster we can afford to burn two picks on that position; at least this year

[mooby]

Originally Posted by mredskins

agree with you i am just not sure with the amount of holes on this roster we can afford to burn two picks on that position; at least this year

It's not about filling holes my guy - it's about drafting players you think will succeed in the NFL. Just because we have a hole at any certain position doesn't mean there will be that guy in the draft who can successfully plug that hole. Some years are just bad for certain players. Other years are strong in certain players. You gotta pick the guys you think will make it.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

It's not about filling holes my guy - it's about drafting players you think will succeed in the NFL. Just because we have a hole at any certain position doesn't mean there will be that guy in the draft who can successfully plug that hole. Some years are just bad for certain players. Other years are strong in certain players. You gotta pick the guys you think will make it.

I can draft 5 great QBs but if i have no OL then they are useless; its absolutely about drafting folks who can succeed in the NFL in the positions you need help in thus filling holes in your roster

by your methodology with the number two pick we should pick Harrison Jr; he probably has the highest percent of potential success in the nfl but it sure look silly picking him with our current WRs and QBs on the roster and you have 2 out of 3 high ranked QBs still on the board

i guess it have to come down to who is on the board in late rounds; if there is a OL guy who can help us this year i take him over a developmental QB project

how many teams draft multiply QBs in the same draft? very few off the top of my head

[mooby]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I can draft 5 great QBs but if i have no OL then they are useless; its absolutely about drafting folks who can succeed in the NFL in the positions you need help in thus filling holes in your roster

by your methodology with the number two pick we should pick Harrison Jr; he probably has the highest percent of potential success in the nfl but it sure look silly picking him with our current WRs and QBs on the roster and you have 2 out of 3 high ranked QBs still on the board

i guess it have to come down to who is on the board in late rounds; if there is a OL guy who can help us this year i take him over a developmental QB project

how many teams draft multiply QBs in the same draft? very few off the top of my head

This is where your scouting comes in. If our scouting and Peters ranked them like this:

Williams - worthy of the first overall pick
Harrison Jr - top five pick
Maye/Daniels - 1st round grade but not top 5

Then yes their options would be draft the guy they like (Harrison Jr) or trade down and hope they can grab the guy they want later (assuming they don't have top five grades on Maye/Daniels). Because QB is head and shoulders the most important position it's more likely they would draft down if Williams wasn't available. But that all depends on their draft grades.

My draft grades (which mean absolute jack shit because I only watch college football highlights) - I like Maye/Daniels. But that doesn't mean they do. I just watch draft analysis from other people and according to people in the know Daniels is the better prospect but his weight is a red flag. Maye is better physically but his arm talent isn't as good as Daniels. So the question is do they draft the guy with the physical attributes or do they draft the good football player with red flags phsyically? Both have question marks.

Back end of the draft is less critical - you have no idea who's available until the clock is running so just draft the guy you like.

Just to add - Ron's fatal flaw was his staff and scouting. If they had done their jobs right they would've realized Haskins was a wasted pick and drafted Herbert instead of CY. That decision set the franchise back 4 years. If they drafted Herbert and developed him we could still be looking at Snyder ownership and Rivera HC'ing. Instead they fucked it up so bad everyone involved is gone and we have Harris/Peters running the show . Snyder pulling strings and drafting Haskins set this entire thing in motion.

[mredskins]

mooby i think we are on the same page and written text vs. us chatting about this in bar is muddying the waters

i get where you are coming from and agree

[sdskinsfan2001]

2. Jayden Daniels QB LSU
36. Kamari Lassiter CB Georgia
40. Jordan Morgan OT Arizona
67. Ben Sinnott TE Kansas State
78. Cedric Gray LB North Carolina
100. Kiran Amegadjie OT Yale
139. Isaiah Adams OG Illinois
152. Kitan Oladapo S Oregon State
222. Joshua Cephus WR UTSA

I could definitely get down w/ this draft.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

2. Jayden Daniels QB LSU
36. Kamari Lassiter CB Georgia
40. Jordan Morgan OT Arizona
67. Ben Sinnott TE Kansas State
78. Cedric Gray LB North Carolina
100. Kiran Amegadjie OT Yale
139. Isaiah Adams OG Illinois
152. Kitan Oladapo S Oregon State
222. Joshua Cephus WR UTSA

I could definitely get down w/ this draft.

Like it but don't love it. Put in Trotter Jr somewhere and I love it.

[CRedskinsRule]

They have started to announce top 30 Pro Day visits. What I've seen so far :

OT Jordan Morgan
QB JJ McCarthy
OT Kiran Amegadjie

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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

They have started to announce top 30 Pro Day visits. What I've seen so far :

OT Jordan Morgan
QB JJ McCarthy
OT Kiran Amegadjie

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Serious consideration.
Due diligence. Nothing more.
Serious consideration.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Serious consideration.
Due diligence. Nothing more.
Serious consideration.

more interested in the tackles.

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[punch it in]

Ron Rivera was a loser for 80 percent of the seasons he was a HC. Enough about laying the blame elsewhere. He was an awful HC and a worse talent scout. He absolutely decimated this roster in the four years he was here.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Ron Rivera was a loser for 80 percent of the seasons he was a HC. Enough about laying the blame elsewhere. He was an awful HC and a worse talent scout. He absolutely decimated this roster in the four years he was here.

Why not? Snyder saddled the team with Haskins and Wentz and started to gut the team for money, which is likely the reason the team became so cheap in FA spending in the last couple of years in free agency.

Yes Ron was bad as a coach and TERRIBLE as a GM, but Snyder basically brought him to be a distraction, while he continued to burn this team into the ground.