Haskins released

Warthog · 12-29-2020, 09:19 AM

[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1270806]Agreed but what if we do win the division, and maybe even a playoff game? Are we really likely to get a franchise QB in the bottom half of round 1? Do we get forced into trading up and giving up capital for other holes, or (imho) take BPA and hope a good QB development prospect falls to us in rd 2 or 3? I'd still keep the possibility of an FA QB on the table at least until we see what the draft allows us to pick up.[/

This season: Plan A - use Alex Smith as the starting QB, if he is ready.

Plan B: Heinickle at QB. He looked good for the 9 minutes he played. I’d like to see more from him IF Smith isn’t ready. Heinickle my be a flash in the pan, but he might be a valuable backup QB next year. He’s certainly a smart guy but we need to see if that helps him on the field.

Next season: the problem with going for a FA QB is that it could be very, very expensive. Dax wants a big, long-term contract. Not sure about Stafford. What situation do you end up with: the Drew Brees scenario where he leads your team to victory for the rest of his career OR do you end up with a Carson Wentz disaster. The Eagles have the WORST cap situation in the NFL in 2021. Trying to buy your way out of the Wentz deal is something like a $59 million cap hit!!!

If you go with the draft idea, I’m NOT Suggesting an RG3 type deal to get all the way up to the second spot in the draft. Maybe go from 19th to 9th to get the third or fourth draft pick Qb(?). It may not be possible because you have to like several mid-range QB and you have to figure correctly what teams want QB ahead of you. But with a QB picked in the #8-10 range, you don’t lose too much for the trade. Then the Qb can be mentored by Alex Smith and helped by using your very good cap money to get excellent WR and/or TE and/or OL.

The wild card is Dan Snyder. The Haskins and RG3 draft disasters can be laid directly at HIS FEET. I think Rivera & Kyle Smith and the scouts can choose an excellent QB in the draft, as long as Snyder stays out of it!

A lot of moving parts but it appears that Rivera can get a excellent QB in the draft, without trading away a boatload of future picks. He can also get the FA QB he wants, but it may cost the team their cap future.

SolidSnake84 · 12-29-2020, 06:47 AM

Jeff George and Mark Brunell were my absolute favorite QB's here when I was a kid.

Brunell was hurt most of 2004, his elbow wasn't 100% recovered, and he got a horrible calf injury that limited him in most games. He played much better in 2005, but I think he was a scapegoat in 2006 for how horrible the offense was.

I was a Jeff George fan because one of my best friends in middle school was a raiders fan, he was constantly gushing about how great Jeff George was and how he could throw the longest passes. We were so excited when George became a Redskin player. I just think that the offense didn't suit George. To this day he has the most amazing arm of anyone I have ever watched. Only guy who I think had a bigger arm was Jamarcus. There is a video of George out there from about 10 years ago doing a public workout. He was 43 but still had an absolute rifle for an arm....

MTK · 12-29-2020, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Jeff George and Mark Brunell were my absolute favorite QB's here when I was a kid.

Brunell was hurt most of 2004, his elbow wasn't 100% recovered, and he got a horrible calf injury that limited him in most games. He played much better in 2005, but I think he was a scapegoat in 2006 for how horrible the offense was.

I was a Jeff George fan because one of my best friends in middle school was a raiders fan, he was constantly gushing about how great Jeff George was and how he could throw the longest passes. We were so excited when George became a Redskin player. I just think that the offense didn't suit George. To this day he has the most amazing arm of anyone I have ever watched. Only guy who I think had a bigger arm was Jamarcus. There is a video of George out there from about 10 years ago doing a public workout. He was 43 but still had an absolute rifle for an arm....

Feel bad for you my man if George was a childhood favorite. I get the arm thing but he had a personality of a wet mop and once famously said that leadership was overrated from the QB position.

Doesn't this situation sound familiar? A new coach handcuffed by the owner's dumb move at QB?

SolidSnake84 · 12-29-2020, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MTK

Feel bad for you my man if George was a childhood favorite. I get the arm thing but he had a personality of a wet mop and once famously said that leadership was overrated from the QB position.

Doesn't this situation sound familiar? A new coach handcuffed by the owner's dumb move at QB?

He really was man because I did not get into football until I was in the 7th grade, i had almost no interest in it as a young kid. Jeff George was one of the guys who introduced me to the sport, through hearing about his exploits through a good friend of mine. So he was one of the first players I "knew". So as I grew to love football so much, I think nostalgia has put some blinders on me about George. I even have an Oakland Raiders #3 George jersey that my friend gave me. I know his career in the NFL for the most part was a flop. In hindsight he was too talented to be a backup QB, but not good enough to be a dependable starter, IMO. There were times in his career where he was good enough to make you wonder.

KI Skins Fan · 12-29-2020, 09:00 AM

It's time to forget about Haskins. I'm not talking about the fans. We can still talk about him all we want but the WFT players need to flush all the Haskins drama from their minds immediately and focus exclusively on the upcoming Eagles game.

We haven't had a more important game to play in many years. This one is truly a must win game for any player or coach who gives a dam about football. With that said and with Haskins gone and forgotten, at least for this week, the rest of the team needs to focus on the fact that they didn't play well either versus Carolina.

We can't blame Haskins if we lose this week. Forget about Haskins' character flaws. This is a defining test of the character of the players who remain. I think the Eagles are dangerous opponents who will play to win. We had better be ready.

Win and we're in the playoffs. Lose and we're out. This is the last chance to achieve a major goal. No excuses.

mredskins · 12-29-2020, 09:19 AM

I think bringing in Matt Stafford is not a horrible idea.

Chico23231 · 12-29-2020, 09:26 AM

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I think bringing in Matt Stafford is not a horrible idea.

Probably 10 other teams would say the same thing. Of course, Alex and the contract would have to come off the books and the first round pick, maybe a player.

Would you be ok depart with Montez or Payne along with this years first round pick and booting Alex Smith? That would be the starting floor imo.

I would

skinsfan69 · 12-29-2020, 10:19 AM

Draft a guy and play him. That is the way to go. QB on rookie deal. See Russell Wilson, Mahomes and now Josh Allen. Try and get in a 3 year window where you aren't paying your QB big dollars.

We won't be able to afford Stafford, plus he is starting to get banged up so I would pass for those two reasons.

The league is changing. Guys like Matt Ryan will be extinct in 5 years. You need a duel threat guy.

I'm trying to trade up in the draft. Offer Payne or Allen and the 1st rounder. I'd go all in for the kid at BYU.

skinsfaninok · 12-29-2020, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Draft a guy and play him. That is the way to go. QB on rookie deal. See Russell Wilson, Mahomes and now Josh Allen. Try and get in a 3 year window where you aren't paying your QB big dollars.

We won't be able to afford Stafford, plus he is starting to get banged up so I would pass for those two reasons.

The league is changing. Guys like Matt Ryan will be extinct in 5 years. You need a duel threat guy.

I'm trying to trade up in the draft. Offer Payne or Allen and the 1st rounder. I'd go all in for the kid at BYU.

The Niners are rumored to be all in on Zach Wilson. He’ll be a top 10 pick, I don’t see anyone accepting a DT and our 19th for a QB. The more realistic option at 19 will be Mac Jones or Kyle Trask , I’d rather have Matt Ryan or Matt Stafford for the next 2-3 years

SFREDSKIN · 12-29-2020, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Draft a guy and play him. That is the way to go. QB on rookie deal. See Russell Wilson, Mahomes and now Josh Allen. Try and get in a 3 year window where you aren't paying your QB big dollars.

We won't be able to afford Stafford, plus he is starting to get banged up so I would pass for those two reasons.

The league is changing. Guys like Matt Ryan will be extinct in 5 years. You need a duel threat guy.

I'm trying to trade up in the draft. Offer Payne or Allen and the 1st rounder. I'd go all in for the kid at BYU.

This!! I would only bring in a vet if his cap number is equal to Alex Smith’s current contract . We have too many key contracts coming up and don’t want to waste that money on another over the hill QB. Stafford would be my only choice unless Garapolo iis available, not a Matt Ryan fan. Don’t want another Donovan McNabb.

MTK · 12-29-2020, 09:24 AM

If the likes of Matt Ryan, Stafford, or Dak become available, hell yes you make a big push for any of those guys. With a legit QB and some more weapons this team is ready to make a SB push.

skinsfaninok · 12-29-2020, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MTK

If the likes of Matt Ryan, Stafford, or Dak become available, hell yes you make a big push for any of those guys. With a legit QB and some more weapons this team is ready to make a SB push.

Agree 100% and I hope one comes to us

Warthog · 12-29-2020, 10:12 AM

We’re competing with 5-8 teams for the available QB FA or via drafting a QB in the first round. On the one hand we have an excellent cap situation and we’re a team “on the rise”. If we go with a Stafford or Dax FA pickup, there’s not much sense in keeping Alex Smith with a healthy and cheap Heinickle and/or Allen as the backups.

Draft-wise we are NOT in a position to get a quality QB unless we trade up. As a minimum we’ll need to trade the first and second round picks (2021) to move up. It may cost much more if we want to get the second or third Qb draft picks.

I can go with either the FA or draft to get our franchise QB, as long as Snyder is not influencing either choice. Snyder’s record as a talent scout is absolutely DISMAL. He’s made some of the worst choices in the draft over the last decade. If it is possible, he’s made even worse decisions in FA in search of a QB.

Maybe if the football god’s are working in our favor, Snyder might have other things to worry about next spring! Lol.

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SunnySide · 12-29-2020, 10:40 AM

Dolphins at 3 overall seems like they may be willing to trade down. They seem to like holding lots of picks but do already have 2 1st rounders and at least 2 2nd rounders from the Tunsil/Texans trade.

Jets may trade down if they decide to stay w Darnold.

Bengals dont need a QB.
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To many future events to know what our choices will be but there seems to be some options. I like the idea of drafting BYU QB Zach Wilson but I think our D does have a window that would be closing in 2 years (have to make decisions on Allen/Payne/Sweat/Matty I).

our 2020 D + our 2016 offense = super bowl

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9ers -- glad you mentioned them. I read they may move on from Jimmy G. hes another option for us. Not a world beater but I do believe he could be decent in a Turner offense. Quick read and throw on time.

skinsfan69 · 12-29-2020, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SunnySide

Dolphins at 3 overall seems like they may be willing to trade down. They seem to like holding lots of picks but do already have 2 1st rounders and at least 2 2nd rounders from the Tunsil/Texans trade.

Jets may trade down if they decide to stay w Darnold.

Bengals dont need a QB.
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To many future events to know what our choices will be but there seems to be some options. I like the idea of drafting BYU QB Zach Wilson but I think our D does have a window that would be closing in 2 years (have to make decisions on Allen/Payne/Sweat/Matty I).

our 2020 D + our 2016 offense = super bowl

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9ers -- glad you mentioned them. I read they may move on from Jimmy G. hes another option for us. Not a world beater but I do believe he could be decent in a Turner offense. Quick read and throw on time.

This.. I'm on the phone w/ Miami. Do not want Jimmy G. Duel threat guy is a must.

12-29-2020, 09:19 AM	#1
Warthog The Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Doylestown, PA Posts: 1,253	Haskins released [QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1270806]Agreed but what if we do win the division, and maybe even a playoff game? Are we really likely to get a franchise QB in the bottom half of round 1? Do we get forced into trading up and giving up capital for other holes, or (imho) take BPA and hope a good QB development prospect falls to us in rd 2 or 3? I'd still keep the possibility of an FA QB on the table at least until we see what the draft allows us to pick up.[/ This season: Plan A - use Alex Smith as the starting QB, if he is ready. Plan B: Heinickle at QB. He looked good for the 9 minutes he played. I’d like to see more from him IF Smith isn’t ready. Heinickle my be a flash in the pan, but he might be a valuable backup QB next year. He’s certainly a smart guy but we need to see if that helps him on the field. Next season: the problem with going for a FA QB is that it could be very, very expensive. Dax wants a big, long-term contract. Not sure about Stafford. What situation do you end up with: the Drew Brees scenario where he leads your team to victory for the rest of his career OR do you end up with a Carson Wentz disaster. The Eagles have the WORST cap situation in the NFL in 2021. Trying to buy your way out of the Wentz deal is something like a $59 million cap hit!!! If you go with the draft idea, I’m NOT Suggesting an RG3 type deal to get all the way up to the second spot in the draft. Maybe go from 19th to 9th to get the third or fourth draft pick Qb(?). It may not be possible because you have to like several mid-range QB and you have to figure correctly what teams want QB ahead of you. But with a QB picked in the #8-10 range, you don’t lose too much for the trade. Then the Qb can be mentored by Alex Smith and helped by using your very good cap money to get excellent WR and/or TE and/or OL. The wild card is Dan Snyder. The Haskins and RG3 draft disasters can be laid directly at HIS FEET. I think Rivera & Kyle Smith and the scouts can choose an excellent QB in the draft, as long as Snyder stays out of it! A lot of moving parts but it appears that Rivera can get a excellent QB in the draft, without trading away a boatload of future picks. He can also get the FA QB he wants, but it may cost the team their cap future. __________________ Four Combat Tours in Afghanistan, Iraq and Kuwait. Flyboy. "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave" Last edited by Warthog; 12-29-2020 at 09:46 AM.

12-29-2020, 06:47 AM	#2
SolidSnake84 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stephens City, VA Posts: 2,953	Re: Haskins released Jeff George and Mark Brunell were my absolute favorite QB's here when I was a kid. Brunell was hurt most of 2004, his elbow wasn't 100% recovered, and he got a horrible calf injury that limited him in most games. He played much better in 2005, but I think he was a scapegoat in 2006 for how horrible the offense was. I was a Jeff George fan because one of my best friends in middle school was a raiders fan, he was constantly gushing about how great Jeff George was and how he could throw the longest passes. We were so excited when George became a Redskin player. I just think that the offense didn't suit George. To this day he has the most amazing arm of anyone I have ever watched. Only guy who I think had a bigger arm was Jamarcus. There is a video of George out there from about 10 years ago doing a public workout. He was 43 but still had an absolute rifle for an arm.... __________________ Time to nut up or shut up

12-29-2020, 09:00 AM	#5
KI Skins Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, Forida Posts: 6,412	Re: Haskins released It's time to forget about Haskins. I'm not talking about the fans. We can still talk about him all we want but the WFT players need to flush all the Haskins drama from their minds immediately and focus exclusively on the upcoming Eagles game. We haven't had a more important game to play in many years. This one is truly a must win game for any player or coach who gives a dam about football. With that said and with Haskins gone and forgotten, at least for this week, the rest of the team needs to focus on the fact that they didn't play well either versus Carolina. We can't blame Haskins if we lose this week. Forget about Haskins' character flaws. This is a defining test of the character of the players who remain. I think the Eagles are dangerous opponents who will play to win. We had better be ready. Win and we're in the playoffs. Lose and we're out. This is the last chance to achieve a major goal. No excuses.

12-29-2020, 09:19 AM	#6
mredskins Gamebreaker Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 13,017	Re: Haskins released I think bringing in Matt Stafford is not a horrible idea. __________________ When life gives you paper jams, turn them into paper footballs!

12-29-2020, 09:24 AM	#11
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,849	Re: Haskins released If the likes of Matt Ryan, Stafford, or Dak become available, hell yes you make a big push for any of those guys. With a legit QB and some more weapons this team is ready to make a SB push. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-29-2020, 10:19 AM	#8
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,453	Re: Haskins released Draft a guy and play him. That is the way to go. QB on rookie deal. See Russell Wilson, Mahomes and now Josh Allen. Try and get in a 3 year window where you aren't paying your QB big dollars. We won't be able to afford Stafford, plus he is starting to get banged up so I would pass for those two reasons. The league is changing. Guys like Matt Ryan will be extinct in 5 years. You need a duel threat guy. I'm trying to trade up in the draft. Offer Payne or Allen and the 1st rounder. I'd go all in for the kid at BYU.

12-29-2020, 10:12 AM	#13
Warthog The Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Doylestown, PA Posts: 1,253	Haskins released We’re competing with 5-8 teams for the available QB FA or via drafting a QB in the first round. On the one hand we have an excellent cap situation and we’re a team “on the rise”. If we go with a Stafford or Dax FA pickup, there’s not much sense in keeping Alex Smith with a healthy and cheap Heinickle and/or Allen as the backups. Draft-wise we are NOT in a position to get a quality QB unless we trade up. As a minimum we’ll need to trade the first and second round picks (2021) to move up. It may cost much more if we want to get the second or third Qb draft picks. I can go with either the FA or draft to get our franchise QB, as long as Snyder is not influencing either choice. Snyder’s record as a talent scout is absolutely DISMAL. He’s made some of the worst choices in the draft over the last decade. If it is possible, he’s made even worse decisions in FA in search of a QB. Maybe if the football god’s are working in our favor, Snyder might have other things to worry about next spring! Lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Four Combat Tours in Afghanistan, Iraq and Kuwait. Flyboy. "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave"

12-29-2020, 10:40 AM	#14
SunnySide Playmaker Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 4,568	Re: Haskins released Dolphins at 3 overall seems like they may be willing to trade down. They seem to like holding lots of picks but do already have 2 1st rounders and at least 2 2nd rounders from the Tunsil/Texans trade. Jets may trade down if they decide to stay w Darnold. Bengals dont need a QB. ----------------------------- To many future events to know what our choices will be but there seems to be some options. I like the idea of drafting BYU QB Zach Wilson but I think our D does have a window that would be closing in 2 years (have to make decisions on Allen/Payne/Sweat/Matty I). our 2020 D + our 2016 offense = super bowl ---------------- 9ers -- glad you mentioned them. I read they may move on from Jimmy G. hes another option for us. Not a world beater but I do believe he could be decent in a Turner offense. Quick read and throw on time.

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