How Long Will Jay Gruden Last This Season as Head Coach?

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by mooby

This has been making the rounds on Facebook and I'd like to verify the authenticity of it but a quick Google search hasn't helped. I feel like it's trying to correlate winning percentage when leading at halftime but I don't have the time to articulate the numbers game-by-game. Losing after leading big at the half (let's say 10 points in the Jay Gruden era) definitely seems like a trend for Gruden though.

I also believe D.Jax when he says the Redskins lack killer instinct. And that reflects on Jay Gruden too. It's one reason why I'm in favor of moving on unless we somehow make the playoffs this year.

My understanding it is just all about points scored regardless of if you lead at the half. So under Gruden the Redskins win the game 43% of the time while outscoring the opponent only 33% of the time in the second half.

[Warthog]

Gruden seems to be the “anti-Gibbs”. His teams, shown in this chart, do worse in the second half


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[Warthog]

A lot of Jay’s offensive yardage and TD’s have come in garbage time. Both opposing teams were far enough ahead to give Jay and Case a free scoring drive at the end. Yesterday the Cowboys gave up TWO garbage time drives and scores.

Gruden may love Case but Keenum has missed two wide open TD passes which might have reshaped the games.

Jay will go back next year as the good OC he was before he came here. Not a very good HC, who has been further handicapped with a poor GM and owner.


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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Warthog

A lot of Jay’s offensive yardage and TD’s have come in garbage time. Both opposing teams were far enough ahead to give Jay and Case a free scoring drive at the end. Yesterday the Cowboys gave up TWO garbage time drives and scores.

Gruden may love Case but Keenum has missed two wide open TD passes which might have reshaped the games.

Jay will go back next year as the good OC he was before he came here. Not a very good HC, who has been further handicapped with a poor GM and owner.


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I would have agreed with you last week, but with the shitty way our defense played this week, I doubt it would have mattered.

The offense is overachieving, even with a bad running game and a terrible right side of the line.

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I would have agreed with you last week, but with the shitty way our defense played this week, I doubt it would have mattered.



The offense is overachieving, even with a bad running game and a terrible right side of the line.

I have to disagree. 18 yds from your main RB in game 1 and 25 yds from AP in game 2 is not overachieving. Keenum is looking better because they’re giving him at least one free garbage time drive and TD per game or half. That’s 75 yds and a TD added onto his numbers. Or yesterday it was 150-odd yds and two TD. Take that off and he doesn’t look so hot.

You are what your record says you are. We are going to be a 5-6 win team and ppl are going to be still raving about how Case has these great stats because they give him a freebie to waste time and end the game. Case can’t win games - just free yardage when it doesn’t matter.

Play Haskins and work toward a QB who can actually WIN GAMES.



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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Warthog

I have to disagree. 18 yds from your main RB in game 1 and 25 yds from AP in game 2 is not overachieving. Keenum is looking better because they’re giving him at least one free garbage time drive and TD per game or half. That’s 75 yds and a TD added onto his numbers. Or yesterday it was 150-odd yds and two TD. Take that off and he doesn’t look so hot.

You are what your record says you are. We are going to be a 5-6 win team and ppl are going to be still raving about how Case has these great stats because they give him a freebie to waste time and end the game. Case can’t win games - just free yardage when it doesn’t matter.

Play Haskins and work toward a QB who can actually WIN GAMES.



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Okay, let's look at the garbage stats:

Philly game:
- last drive 11/16 75 yds 1td
- stats without last drive: 19/28, 305 yds, 2 tds, 0 int

Cowpukes game:
- last drive 8/10 75 yds 1 td, 0 int
- stats without last drive: 18/27 146 yds, 1 td, 0 int

The thing is, Case and the passing game were not supposed to even get those garbage-time-less stats. Everyone (even Gruden) expected this team to run the ball and have a strong defense, and have Case stink up the joint and our receiver do nothing.

If we had a better run game and a better (right side) of the o-line, I'd be fine with putting in Haskins. Kid has a lot of talent, but unless he can somehow make the defense play better, I don't see the point in putting him yet.

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Okay, let's look at the garbage stats:

Philly game:
- last drive 11/16 75 yds 1td
- stats without last drive: 19/28, 305 yds, 2 tds, 0 int

Cowpukes game:
- last drive 8/10 75 yds 1 td, 0 int
- stats without last drive: 18/27 146 yds, 1 td, 0 int

The thing is, Case and the passing game were not supposed to even get those garbage-time-less stats. Everyone (even Gruden) expected this team to run the ball and have a strong defense, and have Case stink up the joint and our receiver do nothing.

If we had a better run game and a better (right side) of the o-line, I'd be fine with putting in Haskins. Kid has a lot of talent, but unless he can somehow make the defense play better, I don't see the point in putting him yet.

I agree with your post, Ruhskins.

If our offensive line would stop with the penalties and better block in the running, along with the defense being halfway decent then some would be singing a different tune.

Keenum has missed on some plays, no doubt. But he's down the list of issues. This team is simply poorly-coached, IMO.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Gruden is not a good head coach....he's 35-46-1 in 6 seasons.....will this man ever achieve above .500 ?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Gruden is not a good head coach....he's 35-46-1 in 6 seasons.....will this man ever achieve above .500 ?

I wonder, has there been any coach who rose above mediocrity in his first 4-6 seasons with a team and then gone on to major success with that same team?

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by mooby

I wonder, has there been any coach who rose above mediocrity in his first 4-6 seasons with a team and then gone on to major success with that same team?

Without checking the stats, my first thought is Bill Cowher with Steelers.

[irish]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Without checking the stats, my first thought is Bill Cowher with Steelers.

What's amazing is Cowher had the success he did with QBs like Neil O'Donnell and Kordell Stewart. Cowher finally got a QB in Roethlisberger, that was the difference maker.

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Without checking the stats, my first thought is Bill Cowher with Steelers.

I think you may wanna go check the stats. Cowher was wildly successful his first 4-6 years in Pittsburgh. I have quite a few family members and friends who are Steeler fans, so you find yourself paying attention to what they're doing (naturally, I find myself having a pulse on pretty, much all the teams being I'm a fan of the game first and foremost)

Cowher was far from mediocre during his first 4-6 years.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by PorkSkins

I think you may wanna go check the stats. Cowher was wildly successful his first 4-6 years in Pittsburgh. I have quite a few family members and friends who are Steeler fans, so you find yourself paying attention to what they're doing (naturally, I find myself having a pulse on pretty, much all the teams being I'm a fan of the game first and foremost)

Cowher was far from mediocre during his first 4-6 years.

You are correct. Cowher's first six seasons from 1992-1997, he won no less than 9 games each season, and won the AFC championship in 1995. Cowher only went 9-7 once during those first six season, in 1993.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by PorkSkins

I think you may wanna go check the stats. Cowher was wildly successful his first 4-6 years in Pittsburgh. I have quite a few family members and friends who are Steeler fans, so you find yourself paying attention to what they're doing (naturally, I find myself having a pulse on pretty, much all the teams being I'm a fan of the game first and foremost)



Cowher was far from mediocre during his first 4-6 years.

I take it back then, I must have mixed up Cowher with someone else.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by mooby

I wonder, has there been any coach who rose above mediocrity in his first 4-6 seasons with a team and then gone on to major success with that same team?

Define mediocre. Where I come from that is the same as average, to me Gruden would have to improve to be considered mediocre. Getting out scored 2/3 rds of the time in the second half is pathetic, unless you are always up 4 TDS at half and playing backups in quarter 3 & 4. If you grade his record he is a D+ at best, on the ABC scale.