Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Check Bradford's new deal for the definition of overpaid.

So now that they overpaid the shit out of Bradford, very little chance we see a long term deal with Cousins this year.

Sam Bradford is the Jeff Fisher of quarterbacks. Mediocre as hell, but continues to get paid a kings ransom and stay employed.

[Chico23231]

Howie roseman said last year was great, let's lock everybody up to extensions

[MTK]

Bradford’s structure, guarantee on signing will give better picture of real value | ProFootballTalk

[MTK]

@AndrewBrandt
Some details on Bradford/Eagles deal: of $26M total guarantee, $22M fully guaranteed upon signing. $18M in 2016, up to $20M w/playoff wins.

Bradford details continued: $11M signing bonus, $7M salary in 2016. $4M of 2017 salary fully guaranteed, another $4M guaranteed for injury.

Bradford gets fully secured $22M, $2M more than Tag w/playoff upside. Eagles get 2nd year option with $4M risk, another $4M if major injury.

[MTK]

At this point I'm content with letting KC play on the tag this year. If he earns the monster deal next year so be it. It would be a win/win all around.

[skinsfan69]

Eagles really had no choice. What was the alternative? Chase Daniel? QB's that are average...Bradford, Alex Smith, Tannehill and Dalton are all making big money. It's just the way the league is trending. You have to overpay if you have a average starter.

[Daseal]

John Elway said it best. There's no middle class for the QB. You're likely either going to overpay or have a journeyman. (last sentence was mine).

I think the franchise tag is the right call. If Cousins does it 2 years in a row, something the Redskins havent done for a long time, then let's wrap him up for quite a few years.

[Hijinx]

Quarterbacks almost never get non-exclusive.* I know it is rare for teams to be willing to pay two 1st rounders , but quarterbacks is a different thing. Is it so unlikely that the Texans(22nd pick) or the Broncos(32nd pick) would give a late 1st this year and next to solve their QB problems?

The Skins paid more than that to move up and get RG3. Is there that much Cap savings in the non exclusive tag?

*Edit- Once in the last decade and that was Matt Cassel whom the Pats didn't even want to keep just used him as trade bait.

[FRPLG]

You either have a QB that can play well enough for you to win or you're picking in the top ten. That's the name of the game in the NFL now. There's no in between. As others have said if not Cousins, then who? It's an odd phenomenon in the NFL...there's really no such thing as average. You're QB can play and you pay him 15-20 a year or he sucks.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Quarterbacks almost never get non-exclusive.* I know it is rare for teams to be willing to pay two 1st rounders , but quarterbacks is a different thing. Is it so unlikely that the Texans(22nd pick) or the Broncos(32nd pick) would give a late 1st this year and next to solve their QB problems?

The Skins paid more than that to move up and get RG3. Is there that much Cap savings in the non exclusive tag?

*Edit- Once in the last decade and that was Matt Cassel whom the Pats didn't even want to keep just used him as trade bait.

I believe the difference is $5-6 Million, it also changes the bar that the long term deal negotiations start from.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I believe the difference is $5-6 Million, it also changes the bar that the long term deal negotiations start from.

no, non exclusive or exclusive, the franchise tag is 19.9m, the transition tag (where he can walk and you get nothing if you don't match another team's deal) is 17.something.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by That Guy

no, non exclusive or exclusive, the franchise tag is 19.9m, the transition tag (where he can walk and you get nothing if you don't match another team's deal) is 17.something.

My understanding is that the exclusive tag would be plus or minus 25.5M, or about 5-6M more. That's what espn980 was saying on the afternoon radio.

Sent from my S6 Edge

[MTK]

Word is KC will sign the deal pretty quickly, and why the hell wouldn't he?

[over the mountain]

Im a big KC fan but I do have questions of whether:

1. he can execute against top 10 defenses

2. he can execute wout Jordan Reed

If he wants more than 18 mil per, let him play under the tag and prove he is worth the money. Then, in 2017, paying him 25m under the tag isnt too horrible.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

My understanding is that the exclusive tag would be plus or minus 25.5M, or about 5-6M more. That's what espn980 was saying on the afternoon radio.

Sent from my S6 Edge

dunno what they were talking about, but exclusive or non exclusive franchise tags are both 19.9m for QBs this year from everything i've seen. next year the price goes up a minimum of 20%, which would be 24m, which is also less than whatever they were discussing.