Lavar In 2008

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I'm going to start a thread about D. Green in '08. He's probably in better shape...

How about Art Monk in '08?

Bruce Smith in '08?

Russ Grimm in '08?

[Redskins_P]

Patrick Ramsey in 08!

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Patrick Ramsey in 08!

Oh nooooooes!

[TheMeatLoafCabana24]

I still don't get why the redskins treated lavar so badly. He went to pro bowls when he was on this team and was probably your only quality LB until Fletcher came this year.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by TheMeatLoafCabana24

I still don't get why the redskins treated lavar so badly. He went to pro bowls when he was on this team and was probably your only quality LB until Fletcher came this year.

Marcus Washington.

[TheMeatLoafCabana24]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Marcus Washington.

he's good but not as good as lavar

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by TheMeatLoafCabana24

he's good but not as good as lavar

I think a lot of people around here would argue that 53 has played better, more consistent football than Lavar. Lavar had all the talent in the world and was fearless, but it never translated into being a consistently dominant player on the field.

I said Marcus Washington because you said we did not have a solid LB before London Fletcher signed here last year. Marcus Washington is my rebuttal to that statement. Antonio Pierce was another solid LB when he was here. He flourished the first year under GWilliams's system, but was let walk after just a year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

I think a lot of people around here would argue that 53 has played better, more consistent football than Lavar. Lavar had all the talent in the world and was fearless, but it never translated into being a consistently dominant player on the field.

I said Marcus Washington because you said we did not have a solid LB before London Fletcher signed here last year. Marcus Washington is my rebuttal to that statement. Antonio Pierce was another solid LB when he was here. He flourished the first year under GWilliams's system, but was let walk after just a year.

I would definitely agree with that.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by TheMeatLoafCabana24

I still don't get why the redskins treated lavar so badly. He went to pro bowls when he was on this team and was probably your only quality LB until Fletcher came this year.

Lavar & agents signed a contract, then said it was short $6.5 mil. It's well know that Synder hates his agents, the Poston Brothers, who btw, one was suspended by the nflpa last year.

From there it was all downhill. While I loved Lavar here, please don't buy the hype that he was a great player. He was a great athlete, big difference.

For more info, there's a couple books worth of Lavar threads here.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by TheMeatLoafCabana24

I still don't get why the redskins treated lavar so badly. He went to pro bowls when he was on this team and was probably your only quality LB until Fletcher came this year.

Quality LB's since/during LeVar:

Pierce
Marshall
McIntosh
Washington

It pains me to admit it, but Piece was nasty under Williams' system; Arrington lost his starting job to Lemar Marshall, McIntosh is starting to grow and misses tackles far less than Arrington did, and Marcus Washington has been a steady force.

Yes, Arrington could turn a game around with a single hit, but if he had any idea what his assignment was on half the plays it would be a surprise, and that was a far greater detriment than his hitting ability was an asset.

The point is, he is far from our only quality LB since he left. During his last season here, and in the years since, the Skins' linebacking corp has been, for the most part, tough, talented, and dependable. Arrington was only talented.

[redskinz79]

Originally Posted by Coff

Quality LB's since/during LeVar:

Pierce
Marshall
McIntosh
Washington

Lemer Marshall? Cmon man.. if you wanna put this guy in the same breath as a healthy Lavar.. u are nuts.

Also... Mcintosh is still unproven. And it looks like he's also injury prone. His developement has been good but it's too soon to tell.

Washington is consistent and gets the job done. However he is not a playmaker nor is he the type of talent that Lavar was.

Pierce is probably the only quality LB that u mentioned here.

Anyhow, I just love how warpath is divided into the pro-lavar & the anti-lavar.

Me personally I like him. I think his agent mis-represented Lavar severely during the contract negotiations and probably was the bad apple that soured his tenure here and with the organization. All in all, I hope that Lavar plays somewhere again. He's got too much passion and talent to be wasted.

Here is the video where he knocked Aikman into retirement.
YouTube - LaVar retires Aikman

[rk3025]

How about defense being a team when Lavar played his great years how many games did we have a top rated defense?

Originally Posted by redskinz79

Lemer Marshall? Cmon man.. if you wanna put this guy in the same breath as a healthy Lavar.. u are nuts.

Also... Mcintosh is still unproven. And it looks like he's also injury prone. His developement has been good but it's too soon to tell.

Washington is consistent and gets the job done. However he is not a playmaker nor is he the type of talent that Lavar was.

Pierce is probably the only quality LB that u mentioned here.

Anyhow, I just love how warpath is divided into the pro-lavar & the anti-lavar.

Me personally I like him. I think his agent mis-represented Lavar severely during the contract negotiations and probably was the bad apple that soured his tenure here and with the organization. All in all, I hope that Lavar plays somewhere again. He's got too much passion and talent to be wasted.

Here is the video where he knocked Aikman into retirement.
YouTube - LaVar retires Aikman

[Coff]

Originally Posted by redskinz79

Lemer Marshall? Cmon man.. if you wanna put this guy in the same breath as a healthy Lavar.. u are nuts.

Also... Mcintosh is still unproven. And it looks like he's also injury prone. His developement has been good but it's too soon to tell.

Washington is consistent and gets the job done. However he is not a playmaker nor is he the type of talent that Lavar was.

Pierce is probably the only quality LB that u mentioned here.

Anyhow, I just love how warpath is divided into the pro-lavar & the anti-lavar.

Me personally I like him. I think his agent mis-represented Lavar severely during the contract negotiations and probably was the bad apple that soured his tenure here and with the organization. All in all, I hope that Lavar plays somewhere again. He's got too much passion and talent to be wasted.

I think you misunderstood the point I was making. I'm certainly not suggesting that Marshall is in the same category as Arrington!! I agree that Arrington at his best was better than all the guys on that list; I was just responding to a post that said we have had no quality linebackers since LeVar left.

I don't mean to suggest that these guys are all pro-bowlers, but they all are/were competent for this team, and therefore were "quality" guys. I wouldn't say McIntosh is unproven; he was kicking ass in the beginning of this season, and then forced offenses to adjust to his side of the field. Washington's first two years with us were very productive; he was a pro-bowler in '04, and an alternate in '05 and '06. And as far as Lemar Marshall goes, don't forget he took Arrington's job, and not just because Arrington was hurt. Williams preferred Marshall to Arrington because he made less mistakes. Marshall will never be a playmaker nor will he ever go to a pro-bowl, and it was stupid to move him to the MLB and have him running the defense, but he was an OLB on the leagues 3rd best defense in '04, and I don't remember anyone suggesting he was a weakspot on the team. In fact, it was his success as an outside linebacker that encouraged Williams to try him as MLB. Stellar player? No. "Quality"? Yes.

The accusation I was responding to was suggesting that our linebacking corp has been weak since LeVar left, which is simply untrue. With the exception of '06 (when our d-line and our secondary were equally as bad), our linebackers have been a consistent strength of our defense.

[rk3025]

McIntosh, Williams and Fletcher have consist defense something that Lavar's Special Defense did not have as great as he was
\team work will beat one person every time

Originally Posted by Coff

I think you misunderstood the point I was making. I'm certainly not suggesting that Marshall is in the same category as Arrington!! I agree that Arrington at his best was better than all the guys on that list; I was just responding to a post that said we have had no quality linebackers since LeVar left.

I don't mean to suggest that these guys are all pro-bowlers, but they all are/were competent for this team, and therefore were "quality" guys. I wouldn't say McIntosh is unproven; he was kicking ass in the beginning of this season, and then forced offenses to adjust to his side of the field. Washington's first two years with us were very productive; he was a pro-bowler in '04, and an alternate in '05 and '06. And as far as Lemar Marshall goes, don't forget he took Arrington's job, and not just because Arrington was hurt. Williams preferred Marshall to Arrington because he made less mistakes. Marshall will never be a playmaker nor will he ever go to a pro-bowl, and it was stupid to move him to the MLB and have him running the defense, but he was an OLB on the leagues 3rd best defense in '04, and I don't remember anyone suggesting he was a weakspot on the team. In fact, it was his success as an outside linebacker that encouraged Williams to try him as MLB. Stellar player? No. "Quality"? Yes.

The accusation I was responding to was suggesting that our linebacking corp has been weak since LeVar left, which is simply untrue. With the exception of '06 (when our d-line and our secondary were equally as bad), our linebackers have been a consistent strength of our defense.

[JLee9718]

Well...since LeVar was my favorite Redskin, you'd think I would want him to come back to the team, but Williams doesn't like "star players," so I hope he doesn't try to sign with them again. Personally I thought he would have been great in passing situations, but they chose to take him out on third down. I didn't understand the logic then, and if somebody tried to explain it to me, I still wouldn't get it. All I know is that he won games for us while he was healthy. We got him out of college, not from another team, and I'm sick of the Redskins taking retreads from other teams for high draft choices. I want them to look for the next "LeVar" with draft choices, not trade those picks for somebody else's rejects.