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Re: A New Look Offense or the Same but Better?
The baseline on these DVOA stats is against both runs and passes. So first round run calls are being compared to all first and ten plays leaguewide. Etc. These are the Redskins rates and ranks from the 2011 season.
The Redskins are still pretty dreadful on third downs, but the third down conversion percentage improved from 2010 because they were a lot better on first down this year, so they weren't in quite as many third and longs (and in third down less often altogether). 1st down pass 36.5% (7th) 1st down run -2.2% (20th) All first downs 13.6% (10th) 2nd down pass -8.6% (25th) 2nd down run -10.0% (30th) All 2nd down -11.6% (28th) 3rd/4th passes -23.6% (27th) 3rd/4th runs 53.2% (4th) All 3rd/4th down -18.9% (26th) All downs (passing) 3.5% (22nd) All downs (rushing) -0.5% (17th) All Downs -2.1% (19th)
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Re: A New Look Offense or the Same but Better?
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I should have been more clear on "wide-open". I have no clue if we're running more shotgun/spread this season. I'm just thinking this season will seem like night and day between Grossman scrambling, and Griffin running the same play. With more bootlegs/rollouts from under center called. Yeah, would love to see the deep passing you're talking about on the rollouts. I thought McNabb did once in awhile while he was here, and Grossman tried to do the same. |
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What is the percentage in the figures? Is it the percentage chance of converting for a 1st down? Can you post or link the complete data set? |
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Re: A New Look Offense or the Same but Better?
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Outcome value of the play/baseline A 30% play was 30 percent more valuable than the expectation for the down and distance.
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Re: A New Look Offense or the Same but Better?
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Do you have the 1st down stats for the Texans? I wonder how we compare to a good running team. Personally I don't think Kyle is gonna make significant or meaningful changes. I think the offense we saw last year is gonna be the offense we see this year. But, I'm filled with hope and eagerness to be proved utterly wrong. Because if they harnessed the talent of Griffin and really altered the offense around his skillset he could have a huge impact. But, at the end of the day I think Robert Griffin is a 'coach proof' talent. Last edited by 30gut; 05-29-2012 at 12:20 PM. |
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Re: A New Look Offense or the Same but Better?
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In all honesty, I feel our offense was good enough last year. Not saying it was elite or anything along that line, but good enough to compete with "the best" (which they still did, damn Giants). The problem naturally, was QB, and that's what it's going to boil down to this year. Defenses stacked the box to force the ball into Rex Grossmans hands for the simple fact he didn't scare anyone. Granted he did get some wins, but 9/10 times it's going to work for you. If Robert Griffin III can come out and shine and cause defenses to respect us, then were finally going to see this offense come together, we'll be able to mix things up a lot better and hurt defenses both in the air and on the ground. So I guess in a sense, it all boils down to RGIII. Not saying we can't use better players at certain positions and add better depth, but the main reason we failed last year was because nobody feared Grossman.
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I expect the offense to adapt to RGIII's mobility. They'd be stupid not to tailor the playbook to his talents.
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Re: A New Look Offense or the Same but Better?
I think we'll see RG3 rolling out a ton. Play-action off the stretch zone will be deadly.
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Re: A New Look Offense or the Same but Better?
Those types of plays will work effectively in the short passing game. Expect a lot of high percentage completions to the fullback in the flat, the tight end in the middle of the field, or the half back in the flat.
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Re: A New Look Offense or the Same but Better?
show me some shades of the 1998 vikings offense
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Why not the 1991 Redskins?
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(Anyone who heard the commentary during the OK State game will understand...)
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1st down passing 59.2% (3rd) 1st down rushing -0.6% (16th) All 1st downs 20.3% (5th) 2nd down passing 8.2% (17th) 2nd down rushing 9.3% (10th) All 2nd downs 4.9% (16th) 3rd/4th down passing 7.5% (15th) 3rd/4th down rushing 30.3% (8th) All 3rd/4th downs 13.2% (12th) All passing 27.3% (9th) All rushing 7.9% (10th) All offense 13.3% (9th) If you look at the trends, the Texans are really similar to us (I suppose thats not the most surprising thing). They're a lot better on offense, sure, but the down/distance splits break down almost exactly identical.
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