Sam howell takes Down Dallas postgame

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

We are so QB starved that we will latch on to any signs of life.

We are also so QB starved that when we see a rookie beat Dallas with no oline, a fourth and third string RB, and Scott fucking Turner calling the plays we immediately think there is no way he can be the guy. We can either be optimistic and believe we finally have a capable quarterback or we can be pessimistic and believe that he will never pan out in the long run. Yes it is an extremely small sample size but based on what I saw I will remain optimistic until I have a reason not to be. Like HTTR said the plan should be get this guy an oline and an OC and work with it at this point. Of course if we stumble upon something better we take it but as of today quarterback 1 is a little less of an issue than it was 24 hours ago.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

We are also so QB starved that when we see a rookie beat Dallas with no oline, a fourth and third string RB, and Scott fucking Turner calling the plays we immediately think there is no way he can be the guy. We can either be optimistic and believe we finally have a capable quarterback or we can be pessimistic and believe that he will never pan out in the long run. Yes it is an extremely small sample size but based on what I saw I will remain optimistic until I have a reason not to be. Like HTTR said the plan should be get this guy an oline and an OC and work with it at this point. Of course if we stumble upon something better we take it but as of today quarterback 1 is a little less of an issue than it was 24 hours ago.

i say SH is piece at this point to the QB puzzle. meaning i wouldn't throw him out nor would i say we solved the puzzle.

I really like to see us get a QB in this deep draft.

Its just so obvious in this league you need a QB and then start building around him

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

i say SH is piece at this point to the QB puzzle. meaning i wouldn't throw him out nor would i say we solved the puzzle.

I really like to see us get a QB in this deep draft.

Its just so obvious in this league you need a QB and then start building around him

I like the way you said that. Whether Howell is a starter or back up remains to be seen but he should get an opportunity to vie for the starter position in the offseason.

We have been down this road before on this board as I recall when Taylor played well against Tampa in the playoffs.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mredskins

i say SH is piece at this point to the QB puzzle. meaning i wouldn't throw him out nor would i say we solved the puzzle.

I really like to see us get a QB in this deep draft.

Its just so obvious in this league you need a QB and then start building around him

That is different than reaching early or paying a Carr. I have no problem with selecting a quarterback at some point if there is a guy we like. T Rich is probably the only guy that falls to 16 as far as first rounders go. If we select him and let the two guys battle it out in camp it isn’t the worst thing in the world BUT it is going to be really hard to rebuild the line if we do that. My guy says grab oline in the first and run with Howell. Taylor wants to stay on for backup money cool. Should not be hard to find a backup in free agency if not. My gut tells me Sam is the guy and I hope we don’t “throw him out” or let him rot on the bench before he goes on to better things else where and we once again had the guy until we didn’t.

I just keep thinking imagine what we saw yesterday but with a better team around him? He isn’t going to lose his arm strength or his mobility. He has all that and it’s invaluable. It is what we wanted all year - Carson couldn’t move. Taylor had a noodle arm. Sam has a gun and wheels. Build around it. Of all the chances we have taken with different quarterbacks and all the things we have given up to do so …. Take a chance by dedicating all our resources to building around this guy. It won’t cost anything to do so.

Idk im done. I’ve casted my vote. Lol. Im going all in with Sam. Now go get him a line and an OC to make it work! We certainly have the weapons in place already.

[HTTR]

Shouldn’t we be looking at a QB’s long-term prospects in the context of coaching in all of its forms — position skill development, installing an offense that fits his skills, OL protection, scheme and personnel continuity, minimizing controversies, etc? Very few college kids arrive in the NFL fully-formed, especially on offense, especially QB’s.

We don’t have a good GM or coaching staff, especially offense. And we’re so used to that, that we demand our draft picks (all players, really) to be “it,” to turn us around, or we trash them. Good organizations win by getting the most out of their players over time, not by hitting the lottery on a handful of picks or FA’s.

It can take a couple of seasons (many if you’re Geno Smith lol) to know what you have in a QB. But you’ll never really know in a shitty organization. Does SH have the composure, arm strength, and playmaking instinct to make it as a starter on a playoff team? I think that’s a solid maybe. But it all depends on getting the organization functioning at a higher level. If we don’t, it’ll just be more of the same — grasping for new shiny objects and trashing them when “they” don’t work out.

Sure, let’s draft a QB in a reasonable spot, — let’s always draft a QB. But let’s focus on OL, LB, TE, and most of all let’s pray for a new owner, new GM, and new coaching staff. That’s what’s standing in the way of success, not so much the players.


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[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by HTTR

Sure, let’s draft a QB in a reasonable spot, — let’s always draft a QB. But let’s focus on OL, LB, TE, and most of all let’s pray for a new owner, new GM, and new coaching staff. That’s what’s standing in the way of success, not so much the players.

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I agree with you 100%.

[metalskins]

Sam Howell looked fine to me yesterday. I think you develop your own, get a better OC, and rebuild that offensive line. Howell has weapons around him. No need to go out and get anymore retreads.

[SunnySide]

Nice to see the boys end the season on a bitter sweet win.

Dallas looked broken and not ready to play. Despite playing their starters, dem boys checked out of the regular season last week.

Howell - had 2 nice outside-the-numbers down field connections to Dotson, ball thrown with anticipation and accuracy.

Hes the backup for next year ... and will probably play more snaps than the named week 1 starter next year (who ever that is)

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8-8-1 .... just about the worst finish we could have hoped for pre season.

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Go find yourself a QB1 at all costs

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Nice to see the boys end the season on a bitter sweet win.

Dallas looked broken and not ready to play. Despite playing their starters, dem boys checked out of the regular season last week.

Howell - had 2 nice outside-the-numbers down field connections to Dotson, ball thrown with anticipation and accuracy.

Hes the backup for next year ... and will probably play more snaps than the named week 1 starter next year (who ever that is)

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8-8-1 .... just about the worst finish we could have hoped for pre season.

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Go find yourself a QB1 at all costs

So who is starting? Is there a FA you want? Who are we trading up for and what are we giving up?

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So who is starting? Is there a FA you want? Who are we trading up for and what are we giving up?

We got plenty of time and a lot of the options available are still unknown.

id prefer

1. Adding a functional tier 2 vet QB, Carr being the bottom of that tier. I do not want to go the Wentz/Fitzpatrick route of adding a non functional vet. I know Carr isnt popular but hes functional. Something we havent had since Cousins.

^^ probably not likely as these guys rarely are made available during their functional years. I dont want a old vet like Matt Ryan, a former functional QB who is now no functional.

2. Trade up in the draft for one of the 4 top 10 QB prospects.

3. Ride Howell, go one game below .500, and have this same discussion next year.

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Easier to say what I dont want.

I want out of the mediocrity death roll.

Guys like Allen/Terry make it impossible to lose 12 or more games, but no QB makes it impossible to go to the playoffs.

I dont need another Sweat or Jamin Davis.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

We got plenty of time and a lot of the options available are still unknown.

id prefer

1. Adding a functional tier 2 vet QB, Carr being the bottom of that tier. I do not want to go the Wentz/Fitzpatrick route of adding a non functional vet. I know Carr isnt popular but hes functional. Something we havent had since Cousins.

^^ probably not likely as these guys rarely are made available during their functional years. I dont want a old vet like Matt Ryan, a former functional QB who is now no functional.

2. Trade up in the draft for one of the 4 top 10 QB prospects.

3. Ride Howell, go one game below .500, and have this same discussion next year.

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Easier to say what I dont want.

I want out of the mediocrity death roll.

Guys like Allen/Terry make it impossible to lose 12 or more games, but no QB makes it impossible to go to the playoffs.

I dont need another Sweat or Jamin Davis.

I would not want to pay someone like Carr who sucks and that money can be spent on players like Curl, Payne, etc. there is no need to spend money on losers like Carr, Wentz. Have we not learned a lesson?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I would not want to pay someone like Carr who sucks and that money can be spent on players like Curl, Payne, etc. there is no need to spend money on losers like Carr, Wentz. Have we not learned a lesson?

DO NOT get Carr. He is a below avg QB that chokes in big games. He’s very similar to Dak and Cousins. Looks good one week and shit the next. Why pay someone like that??


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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

We got plenty of time and a lot of the options available are still unknown.

id prefer

1. Adding a functional tier 2 vet QB, Carr being the bottom of that tier. I do not want to go the Wentz/Fitzpatrick route of adding a non functional vet. I know Carr isnt popular but hes functional. Something we havent had since Cousins.

^^ probably not likely as these guys rarely are made available during their functional years. I dont want a old vet like Matt Ryan, a former functional QB who is now no functional.

2. Trade up in the draft for one of the 4 top 10 QB prospects.

3. Ride Howell, go one game below .500, and have this same discussion next year.

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Easier to say what I dont want.

I want out of the mediocrity death roll.

Guys like Allen/Terry make it impossible to lose 12 or more games, but no QB makes it impossible to go to the playoffs.

I dont need another Sweat or Jamin Davis.

Option 1 makes my stomach turn and head spin. Lol

Option 2 is risky anytime but more-so when there isn’t a bonafide stud. Which is this year. Also what are we giving up to take that risk?

That imo leaves Option 3. Roll with Sam. I just disagree with him being our quarterback and seeing the same results or even worse (1 game under .500) that we did this year. The fact that you think he wouldn’t be a better option than Taylor, or even Wentz is questionable to say the least. We “should” have a better D next year if we address LB and CB. Young will be fully healthy. We certainly “should” still have our RB’s and WR’s intact. See to me the question isn’t Sam as much as it is who is calling the shots when it comes to personnel. Who is calling the plays? Who is the HC? But even if we ran it back with this same exact team and staff ( ) I see Sam as an upgrade. Imo if Sam came in for that first Giants game and played the last month our season would not be over.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Option 1 makes my stomach turn and head spin. Lol

Option 2 is risky anytime but more-so when there isn’t a bonafide stud. Which is this year. Also what are we giving up to take that risk?

That imo leaves Option 3. Roll with Sam. I just disagree with him being our quarterback and seeing the same results or even worse (1 game under .500) that we did this year. The fact that you think he wouldn’t be a better option than Taylor, or even Wentz is questionable to say the least. We “should” have a better D next year if we address LB and CB. Young will be fully healthy. We certainly “should” still have our RB’s and WR’s intact. See to me the question isn’t Sam as much as it is who is calling the shots when it comes to personnel. Who is calling the plays? Who is the HC? But even if we ran it back with this same exact team and staff ( ) I see Sam as an upgrade. Imo if Sam came in for that first Giants game and played the last month our season would not be over.

Option 1 is the only path to the playoffs next year

Option 2 is the only path to potential long term playoff contender/SB contender

Option 3 is digestible but most likely its just a car ride in a circle and we end back here in mediocrity purgatory at this same time next year wondering what to do with our 16th overall pick

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It is what it is.

We have no control or say so.

I will cheer for whoever is under center.

With this team .. its doesnt matter.

until we land a stud QB1 ... its all the same shit, different year.

[SunnySide]

Celebrate that fucking Win .. fuck the boys