How Low Can We Go? Redskins @ Giants Postgame Thread

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I think Dan Snyder would agree with you. Personally I think it depends on the growth we see in Haskins this season.He clearly isn't NFL ready, but he seems to have the right mindset.

I think he has a great attitude and will be a good QB / Winner. This season will be tough on him and u will hear the Bust chatter because he's set up for failure regardless of what happens at HC

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The loser of the skins / phins game gets #1 pick IMO.

Heres the Question, do we take Tua with a new coaching staff and deal Haskins?

I say No for the record, but it is a possibility as we saw with AZ

A new HC should always get to draft his franchise QB. At least, for well run organizations that actually want to allow their football people and HC to make football player decisions.

Unless youre the Redskins ... then Dan Snyder gets to pick the starting QB. And youre not allowed to bad mouth or blame the starting QB. You have to praise him and cater your entire scheme to him and not the 52 other players.

Above all else, Daniel Snyder must be made to look cool and smart. He is not a shy scared little man who is socially awkward and needs someone like Bruce Allen to be his face and voice at NFL meetings. Daniel Snyder is a big boy.
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Seriously though ..if the new HC doesnt get to pick his QB and is forced to work with Haskins .. arent we just repeating what we did with Gruden?

Thats why the Haskins pick was so poorly timed. It wasnt a great QB draft and everyone knew we would have a new HC in 2020 and a high pick so why pick a franchise QB now before the new HC?

Only the skins and dan snyder ..

[skinsfan69]

I just can't get past the Giants rushing for 150 plus yards w/out SaQuan. I can't get past the Giants beating our asses 40 -0 at home last year w/ a lot of these same guys. Manusky sucks but the players have to be accountable too for missing tackles, not sacking a rookie QB, blowing assignments and making numerous stupid fouls.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I don't understand all the hype for Tua. I don't think he'll be nearly as good in the NFL as in college. Haskins > Tua. I would be fucking livid if we pulled off what the Cardinals did.

If we have # 1 pick, keep Haskins and sell to the highest bidder. And just go ham with offensive line picks throughout the draft.

I'm cutting Moses and Penn is old. So we need at least 2 new starters there.

[Schneed10]

Coaching is definitely the majority of our problem. We have guys that Saban won big with in college. We have issues with scheme, strategy, play calling, motivation, and discipline.

The front office deserve tons of blame too - Bruce is the reason we don't have Cousins right now and that's enough in and of itself to fire the douche.

But this is 8-8 talent and Gruden can't even get them to look competitive against the Giants. It's pretty clear Gruden was propped up big time by some impressive assistant coaches early in his Redskins tenure. Without them he looks like shit.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Coaching is definitely the majority of our problem. We have guys that Saban won big with in college. We have issues with scheme, strategy, play calling, motivation, and discipline.

The front office deserve tons of blame too - Bruce is the reason we don't have Cousins right now and that's enough in and of itself to fire the douche.

But this is 8-8 talent and Gruden can't even get them to look competitive against the Giants. It's pretty clear Gruden was propped up big time by some impressive assistant coaches early in his Redskins tenure. Without them he looks like shit.

I figured this would be a 6-7 win team but damn they may not win 1 game seriously

[Burgold]

I'm not surprised because this is what we've been reduced to,can anyone say-P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C..oh and our next opponent almost lost yesterday and they're gonna be pissed when they get here,did I mention that they happen to be the camps of the league while we're the chumps of the league..I'm calling it now-Pats 51-Skins 14!!!

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Burgold

I'm not surprised because this is what we've been reduced to,can anyone say-P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C..oh and our next opponent almost lost yesterday and they're gonna be pissed when they get here,did I mention that they happen to be the camps of the league while we're the chumps of the league..I'm calling it now-Pats 51-Skins 14!!!

That's real generous gifting us two td's.

I'm gonna say it will be 45-0 or 49-3.

[OnceWeWereKings]

How fun will it be when manusky has been the dc for 2 0-16 teams..

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by OnceWeWereKings

How fun will it be when manusky has been the dc for 2 0-16 teams..

I think 1-15 or 2-14. The Dolphins are trying to tank, we should at least beat them.

[skinsfaninok]

Dunbar had a 94.2 Coverage Grade, highest of the season so far for any CB

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Dunbar had a 94.2 Coverage Grade, highest of the season so far for any CB

I think that's a euphemism, kinda like "in the end, the Titanic had several compartments that didn't flood. Unfortunately it didn't make a difference."

Dunbar played well no doubt, but they should've had him or Norman shadow Sterling Shepard. It got old seeing them move Shepard into the slot so he could beat our linebackers in coverage.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Dunbar had a 94.2 Coverage Grade, highest of the season so far for any CB

Nice. I like Dunbar but I still under estimate him bc of his backstory. I keep waiting for the experiment to fail but he keeps playing relatively solid no. 2 corner ball. Absent injuries, Id say I should consider him an above average no. 2 corner but I still dont see him as such or give him his due.

Fabian Moreau ... starting to look like a non-factor. As a 2017 3rd rounder, he has this year and next year still for evaluation. Really hoping he can become a solid slot or CB4.

[jamf]

Holcomb was the worst player on the field yesterday, that's saying something.

[mooby]

I think we also need to ask ourselves why our d-line has been so ineffective this year.

On paper Allen/Payne/Ioannidis plus Kerrigan and Sweat as pass rushers sounds good. But it seems too often we're rushing 4 and not getting any pressure.