What Michael Vick won't be

Monkeydad · 01-10-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

Well......I like Kolb and I would not necessarily mind him coming here!
First things First:
CAN he pass the PFT?
IS he certified to run the two minute offense?

Don't know about the 2-minute drill, but he's horrid when the clock says 7:39. The Eagles neglected to notice this when they scouted him.

NC_Skins · 01-10-2011, 01:32 PM

I say we trade for Kolb with our 2011 2nd rounder and a conditional 3rd or 4th rounder in 2012.

...lol

htownskinfan · 01-10-2011, 01:55 PM

I cant believe you guys want to pounce on him like this after he loses,and im talking about the player,not the person.He's probably the mvp of the league.Yes he's not looked as good the past few games,have you seen his offensive line? He got nailed on the very first play yesterday,if that would have been a skinsqb they would have fumbled and it would have been 7 points the other way.Have you forgotten why Reid chose him to start over Kolb? Because the off line sucked so bad,thats why.Now to blame him because he looks mortal when he's been pounded so bad the past few games to me sounds like sour grapes

firstdown · 01-10-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I cant believe you guys want to pounce on him like this after he loses,and im talking about the player,not the person.He's probably the mvp of the league.Yes he's not looked as good the past few games,have you seen his offensive line? He got nailed on the very first play yesterday,if that would have been a skinsqb they would have fumbled and it would have been 7 points the other way.Have you forgotten why Reid chose him to start over Kolb? Because the off line sucked so bad,thats why.Now to blame him because he looks mortal when he's been pounded so bad the past few games to me sounds like sour grapes

Most of Vicks pounding is because of his style of play not his line. Your also wrong about why Vick became the starter.

htownskinfan · 01-11-2011, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Most of Vicks pounding is because of his style of play not his line. Your also wrong about why Vick became the starter.

the blitz is what has been killing him in the last few games,thats not a style of play,thats an off line issue.I could be wrong about why he was named the starter,my memory is not that great anymore,I thought that was one of Reids excuses when he was being so wishy washy on who to choose

Defensewins · 01-10-2011, 03:19 PM

Is Kolb really going to make an ultimatum? What he needs to do is earn a starting position and play well enough to keep it.
Who the hell does he think he is...Malcolm Kelly?

JoeRedskin · 01-10-2011, 03:33 PM

^^ Like Shaub did in Atlanta? Seriously, there is such a dearth of QB's that back-ups only need one or two spectacular or even better than average games to be highly sought after. All you need is a flash of talent and a FO desparate enough and, blamo!, first round pick baby! Anyone remember Scott Mitchell? Rob Johnson? Shaub at least panned out a little. How about SD giving up a ton of draft picks for the chance to take Leaf.

The QB position is so important and it is so hard to find consistent starters that teams will pay a lot on little evidence to grab a guy with potential. Real (Shaub) or imagined (Johnson).

Defensewins · 01-10-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

^^ Like Shaub did in Atlanta? Seriously, there is such a dearth of QB's that back-ups only need one or two spectacular or even better than average games to be highly sought after. All you need is a flash of talent and a FO desparate enough and, blamo!, first round pick baby! Anyone remember Scott Mitchell? Rob Johnson? Shaub at least panned out a little. How about SD giving up a ton of draft picks for the chance to take Leaf.

The QB position is so important and it is so hard to find consistent starters that teams will pay a lot on little evidence to grab a guy with potential. Real (Shaub) or imagined (Johnson).

Very true.
Another thing that has changed in the NFL is teams no longer keep QB's for a long time and let them develop on the bench. Like we did with Mark Rypien.
Teams do not have the patience to develop a guy or two.
Salary cap and free agency probably has a lot to do with it.
If you keep a backup for 3 to 5 years you probably won't be able to afford him as your back up much longer.

JoeRedskin · 01-10-2011, 03:45 PM

Another one that worked out for the team taking the risk - Atlanta drafts Farve in Rnd. 2 of the 1991 draft and, a year later, trades him to GBay for the 19th pick in the 1992 draft (which Atlanta used to pick that immortal RB - Tony Smith!).

Farve's stat line in 1991? 0 for 4 w/ 2 interceptions.

Defensewins · 01-10-2011, 05:42 PM

It is funny to read all the crap talk about Vick. I do not like or dislike Vick, but he is a legit NFL QB and is a dynamic player. Of course he does not have the accuracy of a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. There aren't many in this world that do. If Vick did have Peyon's arm he would be Superman.
Yesterday Peyton Manning lost yet another playoff game, is there a thread calling him a choker? All of you guys will be worshiping him again next season.
Vick spent 21 moths in jail, declared bankruptcy and still was able to again become a top 5 QB in the NFL. Not many people have done this.
Donte Stallworth was drunk driving and killed a human being and only spent 30 days behind bars. He is currently playing for the Ravens. Where is the outrage for this guy?

Alvin Walton · 01-10-2011, 05:58 PM

What Stallworth did was an accident.
What Vick did wasnt.
And personally that dogfighting thing wasnt that big of a deal to me, I never liked Vick and once he became an Eagle, well.....I really started to dislike him a lot.

Defensewins · 01-10-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

What Stallworth did was an accident.
What Vick did wasnt.
And personally that dogfighting thing wasnt that big of a deal to me, I never liked Vick and once he became an Eagle, well.....I really started to dislike him a lot.

Drinking and choosing to getting behind a wheel is not an accident, it is criminal.
If he were sober and ran over and killed someone that is an accident.
Call it what you want, a persons life is worth more than a month behind bars.

SmootSmack · 01-10-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Drinking and choosing to getting behind a wheel is not an accident, it is criminal.
If he were sober and ran over and killed someone that is an accident.
Call it what you want, a persons life is worth more than a month behind bars.

Donte's situation wasn't quite as black and white as that

JoeRedskin · 01-10-2011, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Donte's situation wasn't quite as black and white as that

True. Leonard Little on the other hand ....

SirClintonPortis · 01-10-2011, 07:35 PM

Stallworth didn't go to court to defend himself even though he likely could have come out of without any criminal charges.

01-10-2011, 01:32 PM	#2
NC_Skins Gamebreaker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14,602	Re: What Michael Vick won't be I say we trade for Kolb with our 2011 2nd rounder and a conditional 3rd or 4th rounder in 2012. ...lol

01-10-2011, 01:55 PM	#3
htownskinfan JUST LIVIN Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: houston,tx Age: 63 Posts: 4,931	Re: What Michael Vick won't be I cant believe you guys want to pounce on him like this after he loses,and im talking about the player,not the person.He's probably the mvp of the league.Yes he's not looked as good the past few games,have you seen his offensive line? He got nailed on the very first play yesterday,if that would have been a skinsqb they would have fumbled and it would have been 7 points the other way.Have you forgotten why Reid chose him to start over Kolb? Because the off line sucked so bad,thats why.Now to blame him because he looks mortal when he's been pounded so bad the past few games to me sounds like sour grapes __________________ Make The Redskins Great Again

01-10-2011, 03:19 PM	#6
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Re: What Michael Vick won't be Is Kolb really going to make an ultimatum? What he needs to do is earn a starting position and play well enough to keep it. Who the hell does he think he is...Malcolm Kelly?

01-10-2011, 03:33 PM	#7
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: What Michael Vick won't be ^^ Like Shaub did in Atlanta? Seriously, there is such a dearth of QB's that back-ups only need one or two spectacular or even better than average games to be highly sought after. All you need is a flash of talent and a FO desparate enough and, blamo!, first round pick baby! Anyone remember Scott Mitchell? Rob Johnson? Shaub at least panned out a little. How about SD giving up a ton of draft picks for the chance to take Leaf. The QB position is so important and it is so hard to find consistent starters that teams will pay a lot on little evidence to grab a guy with potential. Real (Shaub) or imagined (Johnson). __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

01-10-2011, 03:45 PM	#9
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: What Michael Vick won't be Another one that worked out for the team taking the risk - Atlanta drafts Farve in Rnd. 2 of the 1991 draft and, a year later, trades him to GBay for the 19th pick in the 1992 draft (which Atlanta used to pick that immortal RB - Tony Smith!). Farve's stat line in 1991? 0 for 4 w/ 2 interceptions. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

01-10-2011, 05:42 PM	#10
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Re: What Michael Vick won't be It is funny to read all the crap talk about Vick. I do not like or dislike Vick, but he is a legit NFL QB and is a dynamic player. Of course he does not have the accuracy of a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. There aren't many in this world that do. If Vick did have Peyon's arm he would be Superman. Yesterday Peyton Manning lost yet another playoff game, is there a thread calling him a choker? All of you guys will be worshiping him again next season. Vick spent 21 moths in jail, declared bankruptcy and still was able to again become a top 5 QB in the NFL. Not many people have done this. Donte Stallworth was drunk driving and killed a human being and only spent 30 days behind bars. He is currently playing for the Ravens. Where is the outrage for this guy?

01-10-2011, 05:58 PM	#11
Alvin Walton Pro Bowl Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 5,741	Re: What Michael Vick won't be What Stallworth did was an accident. What Vick did wasnt. And personally that dogfighting thing wasnt that big of a deal to me, I never liked Vick and once he became an Eagle, well.....I really started to dislike him a lot. __________________ REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968

01-10-2011, 07:35 PM	#15
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: What Michael Vick won't be Stallworth didn't go to court to defend himself even though he likely could have come out of without any criminal charges. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

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