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[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I agree with every single thing you said. As always.

My wife has taught for 25 years. She can tell which kids are lgbtq from day one. So yes a study like this might be good for these particular children. I mean God forbid we make their life progression easier. I mean it isn’t like there are all these gay bashers around. Oh wait.

The fact that you think taking three year olds on some gender journey will make their life progression easier is laughable. That's about the dumbest thing I've seen on here.

We have gone completely wacko man.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I agree with every single thing you said. As always.

My wife has taught for 25 years. She can tell which kids are lgbtq from day one. So yes a study like this might be good for these particular children. I mean God forbid we make their life progression easier. I mean it isn’t like there are all these gay bashers around. Oh wait.

Wife is a Teacher as are two out of three of my kids. While I tend to side with Chief X on this issue I'm not too upset for reasons being it's one Professor and it was taken down by the school which tells me she is an independent in this. Gay is gay it's the way your born . 3,4 is too young, hell IMO 7-9 is too young. She too can tell when a child is just that way, as in being gay. I also believe people get triggered by the LGBTQ name and it scares them

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Wife is a Teacher as are two out of three of my kids. While I tend to side with Chief X on this issue I'm not too upset for reasons being it's one Professor and it was taken down by the school which tells me she is an independent in this. Gay is gay it's the way your born . 3,4 is too young, hell IMO 7-9 is too young. She too can tell when a child is just that way, as in being gay. I also believe people get triggered by the LGBTQ name and it scares them

I'm triggered, but I'm not scared. Unless you are talking about being scared for our children, then yes, I'm scared for them when I see things like this.


I don't think you can definitively say that someone is "born gay". There are many studies on the topic, some for and some against.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science...study-confirms


I do think you can definitively say that if your son puts on pink leggings at 3 or 4 years old, and from that point forward you dress him in girls clothes and treat him like a girl - he's probably going to have issues.

Let kids be kids.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Very little info from the article. I personally wouldnt be doing this for my kid and would question any parent doing this but this isnt some public school indoctrination where kids are captive audience.

This would be a voluntary study so I dont think we can tell parents how to parent here or what is best for their child.

Watching my kid go from K to entering 5th grade .. there are 2 kids who have been "gay" since day 1. I doubt they know what gay is or associate it with sexual preference but they wore dresses, clip on earrings.

If your son wants to wear dresses at K or 1st grade ... then youd probably want to be in this study if you as the parent know nothing about gender identity.

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Lots of judgment and presumption ... equating "gay" with "mixed up" tells me all I need to know about how you view this topic.

Yeah, let's not misunderstand how I view this topic. It's fucking wrong - all wrong. We're talking about three year old toddlers here man. I mean you said yourself, "I doubt they know what gay is or associate it with sexual preference..."

Three year olds should be on their journey to dinosaur land, not on some journey to what the fuck gender am I. Yes, mixed up is the term I meant to use. Substitute confused if you want - that works as well.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Yeah, let's not misunderstand how I view this topic. It's fucking wrong - all wrong. We're talking about three year old toddlers here man. I mean you said yourself, "I doubt they know what gay is or associate it with sexual preference..."

Three year olds should be on their journey to dinosaur land, not on some journey to what the fuck gender am I. Yes, mixed up is the term I meant to use. Substitute confused if you want - that works as well.

I gotta gate keep a bit here. If you dont have kids in public school, if youre not a parent ... I dont give opinions from non parents much weight. You could very well be a parent and im sure many parents would agree with you.

Here, without knowing the specific circumstances ... without being a parent of a gay kid .. i think we know so little of actual facts that our perceptions shape how we view this lil blurb.

But go ahead and do the fox news conservative gas lamp thing and make this one comment from a professor re a family you know nothing about as proof positive that all schools are indoctrinating "our children"

Its clear you view being gay as some negative affliction and that kids arent born gay but are indoctrinated in some learned behavior

if you dont think people are born gay ... i have zero interest in hearing anything you have to say re gay rights

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Ten women on Wednesday filed a lawsuit against Bill Gothard, who for decades was a major force in the conservative Christian homeschooling movement, charging him and leaders in his ministry with sexual abuse, harassment and cover-up.

Gothard, who urged Christians to shun things like short skirts and rock music, is accused of raping a woman. The same woman says she was raped by one of the ministry’s “biblical counselors.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-abused-women/

WE MUST STOP THE PEDOPHILE RING THAT IS CHRISTIAN HOME SCHOOLING!!!!

STATES ONLY WANT SCHOOL VOUCHERS FOR RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS TO FILTER CHILDREN TO THEIR PEDOPHILE RINGS AWAY FROM ANY OUTSIDE PUBLIC SCRUTINY!!

cHRISTIANITY IS PERVERSION!!!

[Giantone]

It's on FOX

The video was posted on Yale Medicine's YouTube channel but has since been removed. (YouTube?)

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

So you guys think it's ok to "help" three-year old toddlers on their "gender journey" huh? We should be doing this at 3...?

What's bizarre is the fact that this is a thing at all. 3 year old toddlers should be learning new words, and learning right from wrong, not being mixed up about - am I really a boy...

It's sick honestly. It should be looked at as child abuse.

What if it was a gender-neutral kid that didn't fit in with the other pre-schoolers?

We like to think things are so cut and dry, but my neighbors down the street have a pair of boys, ages 5-8 (I'm assuming - they both look young AF) and both of them wear exclusively girl clothes and when they play with my next door neighbor's kids they act seriously feminine. But the parents encourage it - so who cares. Not my kids.

3 years does seem young but kids have no concept of gender-normal behavior, if a boy knows he likes wearing girls leggings with PINK across the butt and he isn't afraid of being a social outcast in school who cares? Do you want to encourage your kids to be who they are and be happy or do you want to punish them until you can beat the gay out of them?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

What if it was a gender-neutral kid that didn't fit in with the other pre-schoolers?

We like to think things are so cut and dry, but my neighbors down the street have a pair of boys, ages 5-8 (I'm assuming - they both look young AF) and both of them wear exclusively girl clothes and when they play with my next door neighbor's kids they act seriously feminine. But the parents encourage it - so who cares. Not my kids.

3 years does seem young but kids have no concept of gender-normal behavior, if a boy knows he likes wearing girls leggings with PINK across the butt and he isn't afraid of being a social outcast in school who cares? Do you want to encourage your kids to be who they are and be happy or do you want to punish them until you can beat the gay out of them?

I think kids wear what the hell they want until someone either encourages or discourages it. They don't know the significance, and frankly they shouldn't care. Especially at 3.

When my son was like 4, he dressed up as Superwoman. We all got a kick out of it. From that point on should we have encouraged that he continue to dress up as a woman? NO. We let him have his fun and that was that.

It's hard enough to grow up and find yourself, but to be encouraging certain genders before kids have even sniffed puberty is flat out dumb. No wonder why there is a serious mental health problem with our youth.

[Chief X_Phackter]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-journey.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ree-year-olds/

https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/yale

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I gotta gate keep a bit here. If you dont have kids in public school, if youre not a parent ... I dont give opinions from non parents much weight. You could very well be a parent and im sure many parents would agree with you.

Here, without knowing the specific circumstances ... without being a parent of a gay kid .. i think we know so little of actual facts that our perceptions shape how we view this lil blurb.

But go ahead and do the fox news conservative gas lamp thing and make this one comment from a professor re a family you know nothing about as proof positive that all schools are indoctrinating "our children"

Its clear you view being gay as some negative affliction and that kids arent born gay but are indoctrinated in some learned behavior

if you dont think people are born gay ... i have zero interest in hearing anything you have to say re gay rights

Yeah, I'm a parent, and I have kids in public schools. And I could care less if you give my opinion much weight. You obviously don't read what I write. You just want to bring up shit like Fox News as if that has anything to do with anything I said. And I mentioned nothing about schools indoctrinating kids.

This lady literally said she works with kids as young as 3 who may identify as transgender or non-binary, helping them with their gender journey, helping them understand the risks and benefits of medical intervention.... Explain to me how that is just fine?

This isn't a "gay rights" issue, this is a "kids rights" issue , or a "lets let kids be kids" issue. Like I said, it's hard enough for kids to grow up and find themselves, but to be encouraging certain genders before they have even sniffed puberty is idiotic. Let's take the kids on a journey to Alice in Wonderland, not on a journey to Alice Wonders What She Is...

Feel free to believe that people are born gay. That's your prerogative. I do not. There are studies that support both sides of the argument, and based on that you can choose a side, but you can't say definitively that people are born gay. You choose to believe people are born gay, and I choose to believe otherwise. And that's ok...

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Does that include the 1 or 2 kids out of 200 who want to wear dresses as boys?

or is it the old conservative "individual freedom for me and my flock but not for thee".

conservatives ... hypocrites in everything

Let kids be kids - applies to all kids. I used my own kid as an example.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Yeah, I'm a parent, and I have kids in public schools. And I could care less if you give my opinion much weight. You obviously don't read what I write. You just want to bring up shit like Fox News as if that has anything to do with anything I said. And I mentioned nothing about schools indoctrinating kids.

This lady literally said she works with kids as young as 3 who may identify as transgender or non-binary, helping them with their gender journey, helping them understand the risks and benefits of medical intervention.... Explain to me how that is just fine?

This isn't a "gay rights" issue, this is a "kids rights" issue , or a "lets let kids be kids" issue. Like I said, it's hard enough for kids to grow up and find themselves, but to be encouraging certain genders before they have even sniffed puberty is idiotic. Let's take the kids on a journey to Alice in Wonderland, not on a journey to Alice Wonders What She Is...

Feel free to believe that people are born gay. That's your prerogative. I do not. There are studies that support both sides of the argument, and based on that you can choose a side, but you can't say definitively that people are born gay. You choose to believe people are born gay, and I choose to believe otherwise. And that's ok...





Let kids be kids - applies to all kids. I used my own kid as an example.

Do you think kids are taught to be gay? Or that it is a learned thing?
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You say "encouraging certain genders" .... do you believe liberals indoctrinate kids to be gay?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Do you think kids are taught to be gay? Or that it is a learned thing?
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You say "encouraging certain genders" .... do you believe liberals indoctrinate kids to be gay?

First of all, I don't think it's a "liberal" thing, and I never said that either. Also, I wasn't the one who first brought up the "encourage" word. I was responding to Mooby's example from his neighborhood.

Do you think that there is a difference between the end result of being taught something, and the end result of learning something? To me it's synonymous.

Ultimately, I think it's more complex than just saying someone is born gay, or saying someone was taught to be gay. I personally don't subscribe to the idea that you are simply born gay or straight. I do believe that it's probably both biological and environmental - but mostly environmental. That is what I believe. Each person is different though. If we had it all figured out, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.

[MTK]

I think sexuality is a scale, it’s not a black and white/you’re either gay or straight issue.

Some people lean more towards one side or maybe more towards the middle.

We’re such dumb monkeys always obsessed with trivial shit like skin color or who others are sleeping with. FFS.

[MTK]

da fuq is this?




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[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by MTK

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