2024 Early Bird Draft Thread

[CRedskinsRule]

scenario:

trade with cardinals:
we get
Murray
#4 overall
this year cardinals 2nd
conditional 2025 2nd {on Murray playing time)

cards get #2 overall

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[AnonEmouse]

No, just no. Murray is not a franchise QB, has issues and would not be good value. If they are going to get a new QB they have to roll the dice on the draft. Bringing in a re-tread would be a Rivera type move.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

No, just no. Murray is not a franchise QB, has issues and would not be good value. If they are going to get a new QB they have to roll the dice on the draft. Bringing in a re-tread would be a Rivera type move.

at 4 you could still take a qb, or bundle chicago and cards 2nds to move back up and grab one, while using #4 on the best Lt on the team's draft board. And could pursue trades for Howell.

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[CRedskinsRule]

Can I ask a question of the more knowledgeable fans here - What are the causes that make picking a quarterback so much more of a crap shoot then most other positions. I mean I get that in there are some intangibles that you can't tell, but all these quarterbacks that go in the top 10 that are busts or at least not superstars Have been playing this game their whole life from the time they were eight or nine 10 through college there's lots of film there's lots of ways to investigate it . Why is it so hard to find the good one ?

Or what is it about the NFL that makes being a good one so much harder than college etc.

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[mredskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Can I ask a question of the more knowledgeable fans here - What are the causes that make picking a quarterback so much more of a crap shoot then most other positions. I mean I get that in there are some intangibles that you can't tell, but all these quarterbacks that go in the top 10 that are busts or at least not superstars Have been playing this game their whole life from the time they were eight or nine 10 through college there's lots of film there's lots of ways to investigate it . Why is it so hard to find the good one ?

Or what is it about the NFL that makes being a good one so much harder than college etc.

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i honestly think the best talent goes to some of the worst franchises and these boys just don't develop there

Football is the ultimate team sport, there are so many factors in order to make your QB look good

Imagine Bryce Young in SF

[GridIron26]

Yeah, I agree with mredskins. Look at Lawrence in Jags - he didn't play well in his first year with Meyers, and he improved a lot when Pederson became the head coach.

Even Shanahan likes Darnold enough to get rid his 1st round prize Lance, despite the fact that Darnold wasn't good with Jets and Panthers.

[AnonEmouse]

Coaching is a lot of it, but also college level schemes and competition can make QB's look better than they are. At the NFL level they have to be able to read D's comprehensively and go beyond single read or option schemes. Just look at that video of Stroud breaking down his pre-snap reads and you realise how much football smarts the kid has. It's teh same reason the like of Brady, Cousins and Purdy belied their draft position. Their physical attributes are just one half of the puzzle. Their brain is the other. And bad coaching can mess up the latter just as easily as physical injury can mess up the former.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Not to mention they are going against the most elite of the elite. There are many very good and elite players in College, but the NFL is nothing but that.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Can I ask a question of the more knowledgeable fans here - What are the causes that make picking a quarterback so much more of a crap shoot then most other positions. I mean I get that in there are some intangibles that you can't tell, but all these quarterbacks that go in the top 10 that are busts or at least not superstars Have been playing this game their whole life from the time they were eight or nine 10 through college there's lots of film there's lots of ways to investigate it . Why is it so hard to find the good one ?

Or what is it about the NFL that makes being a good one so much harder than college etc.

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https://www.abc27.com/sports/sports-...own-draft-qbs/

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

https://www.abc27.com/sports/sports-...own-draft-qbs/

...the pass concepts are a mess most of the time

Even throwing college O.C.'s under the bus. But he isn't wrong, everyone runs the same offense nowadays. It's boring unless it's your team.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I'm only drafting J.D. at 2 for the rest of my mock drafts. I want to will that into fruition.

2. Jayden Daniels QB LSU
36. Troy Franklin WR Oregon
40. Darius Robinson EDGE Missouri
67. Max Melton CB Rutgers
101. Payton Wilson LB NC State
103. Brandon Coleman OG TCU
138. Beaux Limmer OC Arkansas
181. Erick All TE Iowa
220. Nathan Thomas OT Louisiana

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I'm only drafting J.D. at 2 for the rest of my mock drafts. I want to will that into fruition.

2. Jayden Daniels QB LSU
36. Troy Franklin WR Oregon
40. Darius Robinson EDGE Missouri
67. Max Melton CB Rutgers
101. Payton Wilson LB NC State
103. Brandon Coleman OG TCU
138. Beaux Limmer OC Arkansas
181. Erick All TE Iowa
220. Nathan Thomas OT Louisiana

That could be a fine draft class!

[Darrell Green Fan]

I will admit to a bias. These super mobile QBs have been around since Randall Cunningham, over the last decade we've seen a ton of them and some on good teams. But only one (Hurts) even made it to the Super Bowl.

As I watched the first quarter of the Ravens/Chiefs I told myself I have to get with the times and accept this type of QB as the future. An 8 yard run on 3rd and 6 is just as good as an 8 yard pass into tight coverage.

But then I see Lamar crap the bed in the playoffs. Again. And I'm right back where I've always been, preferring a pocket QB

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Darrell Green Fan

I will admit to a bias. These super mobile QBs have been around since Randall Cunningham, over the last decade we've seen a ton of them and some on good teams. But only one (Hurts) even made it to the Super Bowl.

As I watched the first quarter of the Ravens/Chiefs I told myself I have to get with the times and accept this type of QB as the future. An 8 yard run on 3rd and 6 is just as good as an 8 yard pass into tight coverage.

But then I see Lamar crap the bed in the playoffs. Again. And I'm right back where I've always been, preferring a pocket QB

Not sure I agree with your assessment. There have been a few mobile QB's in the Super Bowl era that have taken or even won a Super bowl, not many I agree but a few.

Tarkington

Staubach

Young

Elway , all were at their time considerd running / moble QB's then there was a newer version...........

Kaepernick

Newton
maybe even.

R. Wilson

[Darrell Green Fan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Not sure I agree with your assessment. There have been a few mobile QB's in the Super Bowl era that have taken or even won a Super bowl, not many I agree but a few.

Tarkington

Staubach

Young

Elway , all were at their time considerd running / moble QB's then there was a newer version...........

Kaepernick

Newton
maybe even.

R. Wilson

Thanks for the correction, I meant to go with win a SB but when I changed it to appearances I omitted Cam and Kap. Wilson should be on the list as well. I am not considering Elway, Young Staubach etc because they were pass first QBs who had the ability to run but didn't do it that often.

So we are still left with Wilson as the only super mobile QB who has won a title.