Come up with a new name for the Redskins

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

To get this number, the Post’s polling team questioned 504 self-identified Native Americans from all 50 states. Given that I have 50 first cousins who are enrolled in the Navajo and Yankton Dakota Sioux Nations, none of whom likes the team name, I found the results to be curious. When I looked more closely at the methodology of the poll, I was appalled.

First and foremost, the Post states clearly that they did not verify the actual Native American identity or tribal enrollment of its respondents. Unlike most “minorities,” non-Native Americans have often declared themselves Native American with little or no factual evidence or cultural connection whatsoever. Furthermore, 56 percent of those asked said they were not part of any tribal nation or could not name what tribe their ancestors claimed. Imagine asking 500 white Americans for an opinion about Europe and not caring that more than half had no connection to their ancestors’ place of origin.

https://www.thenation.com/article/ar...redskins-poll/

In 2016, the Washington Post published a poll about whether Native Americans found the Washington Redskins’ name offensive. Ninety percent of respondents said they were not offended by the team’s name. The poll has since been used by Dan Snyder and other team owners as evidence that their Native American mascots are inoffensive.

But a new study from academics at the University of Michigan and UC Berkeley contradicts that data. In a scientific survey of more than 1,000 Native Americans, roughly half of the participants said they were offended by the Redskins’ name. Moreover, 65 percent said they were offended by sports fans performing a “tomahawk chop,” and 73 percent said they were offended by fans imitating Native American dances.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/0...redskins-name/



When you look into the Wash Po survey .. theres holes and its paper thin.

I posted a bunch of citations like 40 pages back on the problems of people "self identifying" as NA for various reasons.

When half the 504 people the Wash Po surveyed couldnt even lie or think of a single tribe to claim ancestry to ....

its like everyone claiming some irish lineage on St Patricks Day.

As someone who found an eagle feather once, I feel like that entitles me to speak on behalf of Native Americans everywhere.

So I take that very seriously when I say "nah nah nah nah boo boo, stick yo' head in doo doo."

[Chico23231]

I know one thing, Monkeydad would not call Adam Humphries, “Humpy” to his face

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I know one thing, Monkeydad would not call Adam Humphries, “Humpy” to his face

This is undebatable truth

[BaltimoreSkins]

When I look at the research on Native American imagery on the impact on Native American youth it is eye opening. That being said most of the problems were at the high school level and college level where a student would come out dressed up in a costume caricaturizing tribal culture and scalping the opponent at a pep rally or using the logo of the university on a t shirt depicting the mascot getting drunk for a frat party.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

When I look at the research on Native American imagery on the impact on Native American youth it is eye opening. That being said most of the problems were at the high school level and college level where a student would come out dressed up in a costume caricaturizing tribal culture and scalping the opponent at a pep rally or using the logo of the university on a t shirt depicting the mascot getting drunk for a frat party.

So? People do something like that to all kinds of other groups. It’s not evil. Hell I’m a well off smart guy who is white and Republican and was in the Army. I get called all sorts of stuff and people make all kinds of stereotypes about me and the world goes on. This whole bit of every word and action is inherently evil has just reached beyond stupid proportions.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

So? People do something like that to all kinds of other groups. It’s not evil. Hell I’m a well off smart guy who is white and Republican and was in the Army. I get called all sorts of stuff and people make all kinds of stereotypes about me and the world goes on. This whole bit of every word and action is inherently evil has just reached beyond stupid proportions.

Thinking your "white oppression" is comparable to people who actually have been oppressed the past 50 years .... white people thinking theyve experienced oppression in america? lol

i cant .. i cant

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Thinking your "white oppression" is comparable to people who actually have been oppressed the past 50 years .... white people thinking theyve experienced oppression in america? lol

i cant .. i cant

You can’t because you don’t have a functioning brain pan.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

You can’t because you don’t have a functioning brain pan.

Agreed, I apologize MS. I dont have the proper temperament to engage in these hyper partisan online discussions in a productive way. its my fault, im going to bow out.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Not very empathetic are you? That is fine but I think there is a slight difference between a white male and Native American youth.

You are right not every action is evil. There was a word association study with Native Americans and the Redskins logo and the word that was most used was pride. I think there is a difference between a logo depicting pride and one showing a troupe of a Native American getting drunk.

[CRedskinsRule]

I really wish they would announce Wolves as the name and end it. Some might not move on with it but the large majority would take it and move forward.

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[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I really wish they would announce Wolves as the name and end it. Some might not move on with it but the large majority would take it and move forward.

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Wolves has grown on me. I honestly don’t care what they are called now it will always be my team

[MTK]

I'll take any name at this point if it moves us forward. So exhausted by this "debate".

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'll take any name at this point if it moves us forward. So exhausted by this "debate".

It will never end you know.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by nonniey

It will never end you know.

I think a good portion of fans will be ready to move forward with a new name especially if it's well received.

Some people are just cavemen and can't accept change no matter what.

[JackLord]

Originally Posted by MTK

I think a good portion of fans will be ready to move forward with a new name especially if it's well received.

Some people are just cavemen and can't accept change no matter what.

I respectfully submit that you are being unfairly dismissive.

If all a fan has ever known is the Snyder era, it does not make much of a difference. A rose by any other name is just as sweet and a shoddily run franchise with a new name is just as shoddy.

If you are older (me for example), this requires jettisoning a great deal of history that was seen first hand. I have seen the Skins in 5 Super Bowls and numerous playoff appearances. The franchise has basically had 3 periods of glory and I was there for 2 of them.

It's not being a caveman to regret that all of this will either be forgotten or have an asterisk placed next to it. Sentiment, Pride, Nostalgia, etc are not the attributes of cavemen, MTK. Quite the opposite actually.

And of course there will be a lingering sense of grievance that this was unjustified and forced on us.

May the caveman ask why you are so cool with it? Why are you seemingly happy that this happened to us?