2024 Early Bird Draft Thread

[simbosargos75]

As long as they don't something stupid like trade up to #1, I'm fine with any of them.

My personal preference is Maye, Williams, Daniles in that order.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by simbosargos75

As long as they don't something stupid like trade up to #1, I'm fine with any of them.

My personal preference is Maye, Williams, Daniles in that order.

I have the exact same preference only backwards. Lol.

[skinsfaninok]

Drake Maye is a better mobile QB than most realize. Kid is no snail out there.

I still say JD5 is the better choice but if Kilff and company want Maye I’m all in on that too


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[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Drake Maye is a better mobile QB than most realize. Kid is no snail out there.

I still say JD5 is the better choice but if Kilff and company want Maye I’m all in on that too

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Drake Maye is a really good athlete and he moves very well. J.D. is an elite athlete, and he moves like an elite athlete.

Daniels is definitely the better athlete. I think he's the better overall QB too, but that could be up for debate. Based on pure athletic ability, not too many like Daniels ever. Not a slight on Maye. He can definitely move too.

I want Daniels. But I want Maye more than anyone else after Daniels. So really, as long as we pick 1 of the 2, I'm gonna be chugging kool-aid like a lunatic.

[njant]

maye has a better arm and much more bigger upside, plus maye is mobile not like daniels but good enough ,maye should be the choice

[skinsfan69]

The bottom line is the media has basically shoved down our throats that Caleb, Daniels and Maye are the best guys. It won't turn out that way cause 1 or 2 of them will probably bust.

I still think Penix is better than all these guys for the NFL game. Almost 5,000 yards last year and the accuracy on the deep ball should not be ignored. That kid is going to go to a decent good team like Atlanta or Denver and could start right away.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The bottom line is the media has basically shoved down our throats that Caleb, Daniels and Maye are the best guys. It won't turn out that way cause 1 or 2 of them will probably bust.

I still think Penix is better than all these guys for the NFL game. Almost 5,000 yards last year and the accuracy on the deep ball should not be ignored. That kid is going to go to a decent good team like Atlanta or Denver and could start right away.

Penix throws like a 25 year old Joe Montana, He also has the body of 65 year old Joe Montana.

Penix is the next Reggie Bush, he will be very good, When healthy*.

[htownskinfan]

🔥I’ve (Daniel Kelly) now evaluated USC quarterback (QB) Caleb Williams in every snap he took in 2022 and 2023 and I’ve written approximately 11,850 words reflecting on him in articles.

The takeaway: Williams is too undisciplined, moody, and immature to ever realize his potential.

Yes, he is loaded with God-given raw arm strength, and elite ability to create and extend (which is the draw to him), but he’s underdeveloped in the finer points of the position. His skillset doesn’t translate well to the next level ⎯the NFL game is about quick time to throw, precise downfield ball placement, and ball security.

The only box he checks is ball security improving from 35 pass breakups (2.5 avg.) in 2022 to 15 in 2023 (1.25 avg.).

2023 went sideways
Williams won the 2022 Heisman Trophy, but it amounted to a second-round grade watching him through my ‘NFL-colored glasses.’ He tended to hold the ball too long and to lock in with receivers.

The first three games of 2023 (San Jose State, Nevada, and Stanford) gave me optimism he had improved, but then ASU happened. He was excellent against Colorado but mediocre against the University of Arizona.

And then things went off the rails.

The true litmus test would be against ranked competition.

What happened?

USC faced Notre Dame, Utah, CAL, Washington, Oregon, and UCLA and dropped five out of six and Williams’ became unglued.

Concerns
1. Downward trajectory ⎯Williams regressed in 2023.

2. NFL Expectations ⎯will be crazy high. The expectations alone will cause him to be a bust.

3. Time to throw ⎯Pro Football Focus recorded Williams at 3.44 seconds in 2022 and 3.21 seconds in 2023. Williams was sacked 63 times (2022-2023). Only seven NFL QBs are over 3 seconds (NEXT GEN STATS). Bears’ QB Justin Fields was the slowest (3.23 seconds). Fields was sacked 99 times (2022-2023).

4. Glorifed system QB ⎯I did an independent study this season, Williams’ best completion percentages came throwing 44-62% short passes. His three worst games (55.9%-57.5%) were fewer short passes.

5. Not a big game QB ⎯Williams was 2-9 against ranked teams the past two seasons.

6. Fumbles ⎯ 32 fumbles in 36 games.

7. Post-game conduct ⎯refused to shake hands with Utah and refused to talk to reporters after the UCLA loss.

8. Nature ⎯Wants to get out of structure as a passer and get reckless as a runner (increased injury risk). He reverts to locking in with receivers. Additionally, he talked down about a fan calling him a “sheep,” and he does unpredictable and uncensored things ranging from painting obscenities on his fingernails to jumping into the stands and crying in his mother’s arms.

9. Inexperienced dealing with adversity ⎯According to Sports Illustrated (Nov. 28, 2023) Williams said, “I’ve never been in this situation, where I’m 7–5 and there are no playoff hopes at the end of the season. I’m dealing with it emotionally, dealing with it spiritually and physically. ”

10. Holiday Bowl ⎯USC bounced right back (same offensive line and defense) against No. 15 Louisville with QB Miller Moss who was making his first career start and he matched Williams’ USC high of six touchdown passes in a game. 💥

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[sdskinsfan2001]

Someone had to fuck around and go 1st; Williams to the Commanders w/ no trade down. It's unlikely, but it's not absolutely insane. He has the Bears taking Maye at No. 1.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/j...raft-february/

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Someone had to fuck around and go 1st; Williams to the Commanders w/ no trade down. It's unlikely, but it's not absolutely insane. He has the Bears taking Maye at No. 1.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/j...raft-february/

Maye has been closing the gap for a while now. Him going #1 overall would not shock me.

[KI Skins Fan]

It looks like Chicago will trade Fields. To me, that is a strong indicator that they want Caleb Williams. So it's probably going to be between Daniels and Maye for us. They both seem to be excellent prospects so I'd say we're in good shape.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

It looks like Chicago will trade Fields. To me, that is a strong indicator that they want Caleb Williams. So it's probably going to be between Daniels and Maye for us. They both seem to be excellent prospects so I'd say we're in good shape.

Its the wrost kept "secret" everyone knows its happening

[CRedskinsRule]

When was the last time, if ever, that the top 3 qbs went 1 2 3, AND none of the 3 bust? my guess is never, so i think that the probability of us getting a bust is historically greater than 60%. If this staff gets it right, I will be in hog heaven. hell i might even yell "Let's go Commando!"

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[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

When was the last time, if ever, that the top 3 qbs went 1 2 3, AND none of the 3 bust? my guess is never, so i think that the probability of us getting a bust is historically greater than 60%. If this staff gets it right, I will be in hog heaven. hell i might even yell "Let's go Commando!"

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The Chase young draft, 4 QB went in the first and none have been bust

Burrow 1
Tua 5
Herbert 6
Love 26

The “safest” picks in the top 5 were all busts: Young, Okudah

The top tackle Andrew Thomas has been good at times but inconsistent. That’s definitely not living up to top 5 status

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The Chase young draft, 4 QB went in the first and none have been bust

Burrow 1
Tua 5
Herbert 6
Love 26

The “safest” picks in the top 5 were all busts: Young, Okudah

The top tackle Andrew Thomas has been good at times but inconsistent. That’s definitely not living up to top 5 status

Yeah, that was a good year for QBs - an outlier though. Can't say the same for 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022, or 2023 though.

Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson - all picked in the top 10. Then there's other 1st rounders like Dwayne Haskins, Mac Jones, Kenny Pickett, even Justin Fields

I'm crossing my fingers and toes - hoping we end up with a dude, but honestly, it's probably not even 50/50 that the top of this draft ends up like:

Burrow/Tagovaiola/Herbert

as opposed to

Lawrence/Wilson/Lance