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[Chico23231]

Not the whole story? Bro, this is common knowledge and even by Obama said Joe said it…you trying to recast and gaslight using fake fact check ain’t helping.

Try again, here even Obama states Joe told him not to go:

In 2012 Biden said he told Obama not to launch raid on compound
In January 2012 at a Democratic congressional retreat, Biden recounted how Obama asked senior officials whether they should go ahead with the raid. Everyone in the room "hedged their bet" except CIA Director Leon Panetta, who said "go."

"Mr. President, my suggestion is, don't go," Biden recounted. "‘We have to do two more things to see if he's there." (He did not explain what the two additional things were at the time.)

(When a reporter asked White House spokesman Jay Carney in 2012 about Biden’s comments stating he was against the raid, Carney said: "I know that he is speaking accurately.")

In May 2012 on NBC’s Meet the Press, Biden said he told Obama "follow your instincts."

"I wanted him to take one more day to do one more test to see if he was there," Biden said.

Obama’s statement during a debate in 2012 supported the idea that Biden was critical about the raid proposal. Obama said that "even some in my own party, including my current vice president," critiqued the proposed raid.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Not the whole story? Bro, this is common knowledge and even by Obama said Joe said it…you trying to recast and gaslight using fake fact check ain’t helping.

Try again, here even Obama states Joe told him not to go:

In 2012 Biden said he told Obama not to launch raid on compound
In January 2012 at a Democratic congressional retreat, Biden recounted how Obama asked senior officials whether they should go ahead with the raid. Everyone in the room "hedged their bet" except CIA Director Leon Panetta, who said "go."

"Mr. President, my suggestion is, don't go," Biden recounted. "‘We have to do two more things to see if he's there." (He did not explain what the two additional things were at the time.)

(When a reporter asked White House spokesman Jay Carney in 2012 about Biden’s comments stating he was against the raid, Carney said: "I know that he is speaking accurately.")

In May 2012 on NBC’s Meet the Press, Biden said he told Obama "follow your instincts."

"I wanted him to take one more day to do one more test to see if he was there," Biden said.

Obama’s statement during a debate in 2012 supported the idea that Biden was critical about the raid proposal. Obama said that "even some in my own party, including my current vice president," critiqued the proposed raid.

trumpette to the end chico, simply put , you're wrong.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Giantone

trumpette to the end chico, simply put , you're wrong.

So, make it more complex. How is he wrong exactly. Please explain. I'm not saying YOU are wrong for saying that, but that is a fairly inadequate argument you laid out there.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

So, make it more complex. How is he wrong exactly. Please explain. I'm not saying YOU are wrong for saying that, but that is a fairly inadequate argument you laid out there.

#1136 , as I have stated many times before I laid my point and gave a link to the place I got my facts to show what I said is factual and not "alternative facts", he did not.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

#1136 , as I have stated many times before I laid my point and gave a link to the place I got my facts to show what I said is factual and not "alternative facts", he did not.

Bro, your source is bill gates funded, liberal org attempting to gaslight the facts

Even from your own source:

In his 2014 memoir, Duty, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote that he and Biden were “the two primary skeptics” of the raid during national security team meetings that were held in March and April 2011 to debate whether to strike the compound. Gates wrote that “Biden’s primary concern was the political consequences of failure.”

During the fateful meeting in question on April 28, 2011, Gates said “Biden was against the operation.”

Obama stated it previously, Biden told him not to go.

[MTK]

So the PACT act finally passes... really don't understand why veterans having healthcare is an issue in the first place. Should be a no brainer. If you serve you should be taken care of. No excuses. They way vets are jerked around is just so wrong. Why the hell are burn pits even a thing? Not only do they make people sick but they sound like ecological disasters courtesy of our military.

Same deal with 9/11 first responders, the fact they've had to fight for benefits is just criminal.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by MTK

So the PACT act finally passes... really don't understand why veterans having healthcare is an issue in the first place. Should be a no brainer. If you serve you should be taken care of. No excuses. They way vets are jerked around is just so wrong. Why the hell are burn pits even a thing? Not only do they make people sick but they sound like ecological disasters courtesy of our military.

Same deal with 9/11 first responders, the fact they've had to fight for benefits is just criminal.

Burn pits are not as prevalent anymore. I'm pretty sure for the most part we have discontinued using them, except in cases where there is really no feasible alternative to dispose of waste. I don't think we knew the future health consequences that would develop from the use of burn pits back then. We had to get rid of our waste. There was no landfill to bring it to, or septic system in the middle of the desert. Burning it, at the time, seemed like the best course of action. Obviously, in hindsight it was a dumb idea.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Burn pits are not as prevalent anymore. I'm pretty sure for the most part we have discontinued using them, except in cases where there is really no feasible alternative to dispose of waste. I don't think we knew the future health consequences that would develop from the use of burn pits back then. We had to get rid of our waste. There was no landfill to bring it to, or septic system in the middle of the desert. Burning it, at the time, seemed like the best course of action. Obviously, in hindsight it was a dumb idea.

Who would have thought throwing jet fuel on human waste and other toxic materials would get people sick? I know, humans have done tons of dumb things over the course of time that looking back now just look insane. Though I'm sure this won't prevent more dumb things from going down in the future. At least now vets will get the health coverage they deserve.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I love the 10th amendment, whether people in X state vote the way I would prefer or not on any given issue.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I love the 10th amendment, whether people in X state vote the way I would prefer or not on any given issue.

Agreed.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

I don't see the KS vote as a sign that the Supreme Court "overreached". It's just the opposite. The Supreme Court gave the power back to the states, and the people of KS voted against the regulation of abortion. This is exactly how it is supposed to work.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Agreed.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

I don't see the KS vote as a sign that the Supreme Court "overreached". It's just the opposite. The Supreme Court gave the power back to the states, and the people of KS voted against the regulation of abortion. This is exactly how it is supposed to work.

Let's rephrase this - the Supreme Court took the power out of the hands of individual women and gave it to the states.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

Let's rephrase this - the Supreme Court took the power out of the hands of individual women and gave it to the states.

Let's not. I like mine better.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Agreed.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

I don't see the KS vote as a sign that the Supreme Court "overreached". It's just the opposite. The Supreme Court gave the power back to the states, and the people of KS voted against the regulation of abortion. This is exactly how it is supposed to work.

Slippery slope.

Personal medical procedures are the very core of individual life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Before the SCOTUS went political, the discussion was "when does life begin".

Now its a states rights issue? This was an absurd power grab by republicans and now the SCOTUS is just a means to pass christian based laws that they coundt get passed in legislation.

Fuck christian nationalists ... they put the nail in the coffin of this country.

I hate what the SCOTUS has become .. I hate the non stop cultural war being pushed by conservatives the past 10 years.

We are divided more than ever and its isnt some "both sides" thing neo conservatives would love to have everyone believe. This country is fucked.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Slippery slope.

Personal medical procedures are the very core of individual life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Before the SCOTUS went political, the discussion was "when does life begin".

Now its a states rights issue? This was an absurd power grab by republicans and now the SCOTUS is just a means to pass christian based laws that they coundt get passed in legislation.

Fuck christian nationalists ... they put the nail in the coffin of this country.

I hate what the SCOTUS has become .. I hate the non stop cultural war being pushed by conservatives the past 10 years.

We are divided more than ever and its isnt some "both sides" thing neo conservatives would love to have everyone believe. This country is fucked.

You don’t recognize that Democrats have moved on the Abortion issue from “safe legal rare” to “abortion on demand up moment of birth”?

Boy, slippery slopes indeed.

Next you will tell me a Supreme Court Justice can’t define a woman because she’s not a biologist or men can have babies. Please with the gop culture war…the left been certainly been doing the same

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Slippery slope.

Personal medical procedures are the very core of individual life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Before the SCOTUS went political, the discussion was "when does life begin".

Now its a states rights issue? This was an absurd power grab by republicans and now the SCOTUS is just a means to pass christian based laws that they coundt get passed in legislation.

Fuck christian nationalists ... they put the nail in the coffin of this country.

I hate what the SCOTUS has become .. I hate the non stop cultural war being pushed by conservatives the past 10 years.

We are divided more than ever and its isnt some "both sides" thing neo conservatives would love to have everyone believe. This country is fucked.

I think the discussion remains "when does life begin", but yes, now it is a state issue again - as it should be. It has nothing to do with a purported cultural war or Christian nationalists.