Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Not saying you are advocating this approach, but this is a terrible idea.

Even Mahomes needed a competent defense to win a title last year.

Neglecting any area of the team in favor of the "stud qb wins titles" approach would be a bad idea.

But if we keep the same defense from last year, is that neglecting it? We still have free agency where we can address any deficiencies on both offense and defense.

I just don't get the idea that going after Watson or Stafford is somehow going to hamper other areas of the team.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'ma get the F out then if go big means giving away more than #19 and #74. You can have a Matthew Stafford in the building, but if you don't have enough pieces around him, it won't matter.

Just sayin - Jimmy G was 5 minutes away from winning the SB last year, because he had a SB caliber cast around him. I'm not suggesting they go get him, but in my opinion, they shouldn't go big at the expense of the rest of the roster.

Jimmy just can't stay healthy

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by chief x_phackter

i'ma get the f out then if go big means giving away more than #19 and #74. You can have a matthew stafford in the building, but if you don't have enough pieces around him, it won't matter.

Just sayin - jimmy g was 5 minutes away from winning the sb last year, because he had a sb caliber cast around him. I'm not suggesting they go get him, but in my opinion, they shouldn't go big at the expense of the rest of the roster.

+100

[Chico23231]

Jimmy g is fuckin garbage

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Jimmy g is fuckin garbage

I don't know if he's garbage, but yeah I'm not a fan.

[Chico23231]

The Matt Stafford sweepstakes is like the fucking Catalina Wine Mixer, we cannot fuck this up

[skinsfaninok]

[SunnySide]

If no one else is going to say the obvious, I will.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

If no one else is going to say the obvious, I will.

I will too but I'm secretly hoping he pulls a Favre and retires and then comes back later and works a deal to get out of his contract so he can be a FA.

I think the price for Rodgers in a trade would be as high as the price for Watson.

[KI Skins Fan]

I am against the costly acquisition of a QB via trade and I'll tell you exactly why. Building a team is a process that takes some time and the idea that we are "close" to being a contender because we got into the playoffs with a losing record in an abysmal division in the most abnormal NFL season ever is total bullshit. We need to build a team that can compete for a Super Bowl appearance year after year. This is not that team. We need every draft pick we can get and some key free agents before we can approach that level. And Heaven knows we can't be throwing away special young players like Montez Sweat in a deal for a QB who's not going to get us over the top. Tampa Bay didn't go after Brady until they had a strong team in place around him. That is the way to do it.

Now, how did we get this point? First, we got lucky and made the playoffs. At that point, I think RR started to overrate his team. Then, the evil genius Dan Snyder started to work on him. You see, it is time for Snyder to awaken from his slumber and prepare to personally select the next starting QB for his franchise. Nobody needs to agree with his selection because he will order it to be done. This may be the single most satisfying use of his power as team owner. What a boner he's going to get when he does it again! I think it's a major reason why he wanted to own the team.

The "we're close" mantra is way too familiar to me. We have heard that many times throughout Snyder's ownership. Maybe it's because Snyder asks the executives he hires "Are we close yet?" on a daily basis. You see, he just doesn't have the patience for a team build. That's because he's also a dumb shit fan like us. And now we're all excited about making the playoffs and we're ready to fall for Snyder's same old ignorant "we're close" bullshit until he personally selects his next disastrous man-crush QB.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

The "we're close" mantra is way too familiar to me. We have heard that many times throughout Snyder's ownership. Maybe it's because Snyder asks the executives he hires "Are we close yet?" on a daily basis. You see, he just doesn't have the patience for a team build. That's because he's also a dumb shit fan like us. And now we're all excited about making the playoffs and we're ready to fall for Snyder's same old ignorant "we're close" bullshit until he personally selects his next disastrous man-crush QB.

I hear what youre saying .. as fans we think "were close" based on a scintilla of positive news, see going 7-9 in a historically bad NFCE.

But .. I think you need to define "close". Close to what? Challenging the Chiefs as an NFL perennial powerhouse? no we arent that, not even close.

Challenging for the NFCE the next 3 years? Yes, I think we are close to that given the current state of affairs around the NFCE. My belief is you need to make the playoffs to win the playoffs. The more times were in the playoffs, the chances we make a run increases.

if we can make the playoffs 3 out of the next 5 years, that is worth spending draft capital. This team has a 5 year window to perennially win the NFCE. Weve been "waiting" and saving cap money and draft picks .. at some point you have to go all in.

The time is now.
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OK -- lol just saw your A-Aron post. we can dream.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I hear what youre saying .. as fans we think "were close" based on a scintilla of positive news, see going 7-9 in a historically bad NFCE.

But .. I think you need to define "close". Close to what? Challenging the Chiefs as an NFL perennial powerhouse? no we arent that, not even close.

Challenging for the NFCE the next 3 years? Yes, I think we are close to that given the current state of affairs around the NFCE. My belief is you need to make the playoffs to win the playoffs. The more times were in the playoffs, the chances we make a run increases.

if we can make the playoffs 3 out of the next 5 years, that is worth spending draft capital. This team has a 5 year window to perennially win the NFCE. Weve been "waiting" and saving cap money and draft picks .. at some point you have to go all in.

The time is now.
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OK -- lol just saw your A-Aron post. we can dream.

You make a very good point about winning our weak division giving us a chance to make a playoff run. I'll have to chew on that thought for a while.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I hear what youre saying .. as fans we think "were close" based on a scintilla of positive news, see going 7-9 in a historically bad NFCE.

But .. I think you need to define "close". Close to what? Challenging the Chiefs as an NFL perennial powerhouse? no we arent that, not even close.

Challenging for the NFCE the next 3 years? Yes, I think we are close to that given the current state of affairs around the NFCE. My belief is you need to make the playoffs to win the playoffs. The more times were in the playoffs, the chances we make a run increases.

if we can make the playoffs 3 out of the next 5 years, that is worth spending draft capital. This team has a 5 year window to perennially win the NFCE. Weve been "waiting" and saving cap money and draft picks .. at some point you have to go all in.

The time is now.
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OK -- lol just saw your A-Aron post. we can dream.

THIS is exactly why I'm not a fan of giving away a bunch of assets to get a QB. So you're content with competing for maybe the next three years - and then what? You're ok with going back to mediocrity (if that)?

Why do we have to have a "window" of opportunity? Why can't we build a team that can sustain success for a long period of time? I'll tell you why. Because we are willing to mortgage THE FUTURE to get a QB.

Hell, just look at Detroit and Houston. Those teams have great QBs, right? Everyone wants one of those guys here. They throw for 4,000 plus yards every year, etc. However, did those teams make the playoffs? Nope, because they didn't have enough horses around their QBs, and their defenses were not good.

If we actually had a defense like TB, NO, LAR, then maybe I go all in on a QB. But we don't. We're not close.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

THIS is exactly why I'm not a fan of giving away a bunch of assets to get a QB. So you're content with competing for maybe the next three years - and then what? You're ok with going back to mediocrity (if that)?

Why do we have to have a "window" of opportunity? Why can't we build a team that can sustain success for a long period of time? I'll tell you why. Because we are willing to mortgage THE FUTURE to get a QB.

Hell, just look at Detroit and Houston. Those teams have great QBs, right? Everyone wants one of those guys here. They throw for 4,000 plus yards every year, etc. However, did those teams make the playoffs? Nope, because they didn't have enough horses around their QBs, and their defenses were not good.

If we actually had a defense like TB, NO, LAR, then maybe I go all in on a QB. But we don't. We're not close.

Actually Stafford has passed for 5,000 and Watson almost got that this year. But you bring up a great point. We won a bad division w/ 7 wins, gave up 500 yards against TB. We are not close to competing for a SB. Keep building. Go get some more pieces w/ the draft and get a free agent or two.

I'd say we are closer than ever to being a contender.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

THIS is exactly why I'm not a fan of giving away a bunch of assets to get a QB. So you're content with competing for maybe the next three years - and then what? You're ok with going back to mediocrity (if that)?

Why do we have to have a "window" of opportunity? Why can't we build a team that can sustain success for a long period of time? I'll tell you why. Because we are willing to mortgage THE FUTURE to get a QB.

Hell, just look at Detroit and Houston. Those teams have great QBs, right? Everyone wants one of those guys here. They throw for 4,000 plus yards every year, etc. However, did those teams make the playoffs? Nope, because they didn't have enough horses around their QBs, and their defenses were not good.

If we actually had a defense like TB, NO, LAR, then maybe I go all in on a QB. But we don't. We're not close.

We have a lot of key positions on rookie deals and the team needs to win now before they have to pay those guys. You wait an additional 3-5 years to figure out your QB situation, you need to start making decisions on who to pay and who not to pay.

You're not going to address every single position this offseaon. Also, the team needs to take advantage of the funk a lot of the NFC East teams are going through right now. I don't understand why people are so cautious about it.