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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by jamf

I hate the changes.

The XFL had an interesting concept with the scramble to start games.
I doubt they would try to copy anything from the XFL but it's the only thing I liked about the league.




edit: Engrish

Looks like that determined who kicked off, but the NFL should at least try to replace the kickoff with something. I fear they will just get to the point of starting each possession at the 25.

And the new suggested rules are ALL terrible.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

With the nfl determined to get rid of the kick off (the new proposals are terrible), i wondered about using a 5 on 5 rugby style scrum at the 30 yard line un its place. So the coin flip now determines which team chooses where the scrum starts.

Just curious of people's thoughts for possible alternatives.

What don't you like in the new proposals?

I might be missing something there but I think it's a pretty smart way to keep the kickoff in the game (as a real play, not a video game stuff) while reducing the high speed collisions.

Really don't see what people are hating on here...

[CRedskinsRule]

I was listening to Pat Kirwan walk through the changes and he shredded them. I doubt I can do his explanations justice.

The first thing I don't like is that the ball is dead in the end zone. The kickoff being a live ball even in the endzone adds a good drama to catching the ball falling short of the goal line or just into the end zone.

2nd, the kickoff team gets to start running at the kick off, the receiving team can't block until the ball is touched or touches the ground, that means the receiving team who should be lining up blocks will be running backwards full speed and have to be aware of where the ball is and if it's been caught while the kicking team is setting to blow the blockers off their feet.

Most special teams players run a 40 in under five seconds, kick off hang times are about 4-5 seconds. That means that the kicking team players will cover about 40 yards (or to the 25 yard line) before a receiving team player can legally block them. How is that going to even work?

Finally the 5 on each side rule basically will negate onside attempts which again are one of the fun elements of the kickoff.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I was listening to Pat Kirwan walk through the changes and he shredded them. I doubt I can do his explanations justice.

The first thing I don't like is that the ball is dead in the end zone. The kickoff being a live ball even in the endzone adds a good drama to catching the ball falling short of the goal line or just into the end zone.

2nd, the kickoff team gets to start running at the kick off, the receiving team can't block until the ball is touched or touches the ground, that means the receiving team who should be lining up blocks will be running backwards full speed and have to be aware of where the ball is and if it's been caught while the kicking team is setting to blow the blockers off their feet.

Most special teams players run a 40 in under five seconds, kick off hang times are about 4-5 seconds. That means that the kicking team players will cover about 40 yards (or to the 25 yard line) before a receiving team player can legally block them. How is that going to even work?

Finally the 5 on each side rule basically will negate onside attempts which again are one of the fun elements of the kickoff.

I have no idea where this "no blocking before the ball is touched" rule comes from... this is absolutely not what the new rule is.
PFT summed it up pretty well.

-No blocking from the restraining line to 15 yards from that (so from the kicking team's 45 to the receiving team's 40, where 8 of the 11 receiving team's players must line up) before the ball is touched. IMO the point is to reduce high speed blocks.

-I don't see what's wrong with suppressing the 5 yards running start for the kick off team... doesn't change much, just reduces speed a bit.

-No wedge is smart.

-I'm pretty sure I read the rules for onside kicks would remain unchanged.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ed-collisions/


Vinatieri likes the new rules:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...or-the-better/

[skinsfaninok]

If the NFL gets rid of Kickoffs/Punts, it will cripple the game. I'm sorry this is NOT 2nd grade football, these grown ass men signed up to play and get PAID BIG MONEY for playing a game. Let's not act like they don't know the risk they are taking. Seriously they are going down a path that could end up like baseball, nobody thought the MLB would ever be 2nd or 3rd fiddle and now it is.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If the NFL gets rid of Kickoffs/Punts, it will cripple the game. I'm sorry this is NOT 2nd grade football, these grown ass men signed up to play and get PAID BIG MONEY for playing a game. Let's not act like they don't know the risk they are taking. Seriously they are going down a path that could end up like baseball, nobody thought the MLB would ever be 2nd or 3rd fiddle and now it is.

While the rule changes are to protect the players, the bigger unspoken reason is to protect the NFL from big suits like the concussion one that NFL settled for huge money.
While the players do make a ton of money and are aware of the risks, the NFL lawyers and owners do not want to expose themselves to more lawsuits.
Players taking a 40 to 50 yard run at full speed to crash into a wedge/another player does not happen in any other play in football. So they think, why not eliminate it.
I see both sides of the argument.
In reverse an unintended increase in exposure was changing rules to promote more passing, it has resulted in exposing receivers more.

[MTK]

I don’t see anything wrong with modifying the most dangerous play in the game.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by MTK

I don’t see anything wrong with modifying the most dangerous play in the game.

I'm with you, the changes aren't that dramatic and seem like a legit attempt at KEEPING the kickoff in the game...

I really don't get the logic behind hating getting rid of the wedge and adding a 15 yards no block zone... but prefering arcade video games stuffs like a rugby scrum or a sprint for the ball... how is this more in the spirit of the game than a slightly less concussion inducing version of the kickoff?

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[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

I don’t see anything wrong with modifying the most dangerous play in the game.

I'm all for safety and modifying the play but KEEP it in the game, don't take out ST's. Some guys that get into the league are through ST's, that's how many get their start.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I'm all for safety and modifying the play but KEEP it in the game, don't take out ST's. Some guys that get into the league are through ST's, that's how many get their start.

It’s being modified not taken away

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

It’s being modified not taken away

Then I'm cool with that.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by MTK

I don’t see anything wrong with modifying the most dangerous play in the game.

i find that label....... a little misleading. While it holds merit, don't get me wrong it does, it's just not as big an issue as it has been in the past due to the measure they've already taken. Without actually doing research since I'm at work, I'm assuming we see more, and more severe injuries on normal football plays, which leads me to believe that taken it away all together is just further degrading and downgrading the game's great history. i dunno. i feel like football without the kickoff isn't even real. Whats next? No punts? Teams just hail mary every time and plan to catch or defend? Sounds flimsy lol thats why I'm not on the competition committee.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

I don’t see anything wrong with modifying the most dangerous play in the game.

There will always be a "most dangerous play" in the game.

I am not saying don't modify it, but I am saying maybe there are other ways then just watering it down to where they ultimately get rid of it. I listen to Sirius NFL a lot, and I have not heard many announcers have any positives to say about the new rules.

It's the NFL's game to change, I am just not a fan of a few of these. Maybe they only adopt a few, and not all 7. or they try it in preseason like they did with the extra points. I would rather them do that, then just flat out change it.

[MTK]

I remember thinking in high school that kickoffs were crazy, it was fun because I didn’t know any better, but man nothing got the adrenaline pumping quite like charging full speed down the field and knocking someone on their tail

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

I remember thinking in high school that kickoffs were crazy, it was fun because I didn’t know any better, but man nothing got the adrenaline pumping quite like charging full speed down the field and knocking someone on their tail

Funny u mention that because my JR year I stopped playing due to a concussion suffered on a kickoff, I went to basketball after that lol. So yes I want safety of these guys but as I said it's a tradition, how odd would it be to watch a game and have no kickoff's or punts??