Around the NFL Week 11

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Tebow would be an excellent H-back. As good as his final drive was last night, it just shows that he is not going to be a bonafide NFL QB if he can't pass with some accuracy.

Yeah he needs a ton of work with his fundamentals, not sure if he can ever be a decent enough pocket passer. He just doesn't seem natural or fluid at all in the pocket.

[SmootSmack]

Little from column A little from column B.

[Jontrem]

I personally love Tebow. I am not a Gators fan (I bleed Blue and Gold when my Burgundy runs out!) and I am not a very religious person. I like him because everything I hear about him makes him seem like a young kid who has made good life decisions and worked his tail off for everything he has in his life. The year of the Quarterback special with him was awesome to watch and really made me want to route for him.

Having said that I dont think he can be a long term answer at QB. H-back maybe. However he has the size 6'3 245, the speed and certainly the intensity to get on the field somewhere right?

I know this is stupid to even say but I would love to see what would happen if someone moves him move to the defensive side of the ball and play some ILB. He could be the "quarterback" of the defense.

[BleedBurgundy]

I was thinking about the IT factor last night while watching the game, noting how Tebow's receivers seemed to be going all out to make catches on his horrible passes. The defense seemed to be playing with a lot of motivation... so here's the theory I came up with after a bottle of red:

What if the fact that they know he has a low ceiling as a traditional QB, means the players around him know the only way they win is if they are going all out on every play, because they as a team have zero margin for error. Unlike with a good qb, there is no room for complacency. Tebow's intangibles as a leader drive this motivation, which explains why you don't see similar motivation out of teams with say... John Beck/The Big Sexy at QB. The only thing I can think of similarly is how Favre's receivers used to go all out for him in big games... and yes, Favre used to be a great qb, but he was firmly in decline when he had some of his most memorable games (like the one after his dad died). I think the mystique of some players drives their teammates to work harder than others.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I was thinking about the IT factor last night while watching the game, noting how Tebow's receivers seemed to be going all out to make catches on his horrible passes. The defense seemed to be playing with a lot of motivation... so here's the theory I came up with after a bottle of red:

What if the fact that they know he has a low ceiling as a traditional QB, means the players around him know the only way they win is if they are going all out on every play, because they as a team have zero margin for error. Unlike with a good qb, there is no room for complacency. Tebow's intangibles as a leader drive this motivation, which explains why you don't see similar motivation out of teams with say... John Beck/The Big Sexy at QB. The only thing I can think of similarly is how Favre's receivers used to go all out for him in big games... and yes, Favre used to be a great qb, but he was firmly in decline when he had some of his most memorable games (like the one after his dad died). I think the mystique of some players drives their teammates to work harder than others.

I agree with this. Sure Tebow's game fit the college game better, but there's a reason he won two national titles. His "it" factor or mystique or whatever you want to call it is through the roof.

But ultimately I agree with Matty- I don't know how long this experiment can last, and it will be really interesting to see how it plays out in Denver. They're going to ride this train until the wheels come off.

A side note here- Yes the Broncos offense played like crap for pretty much the entire game last night, and you can blame that on Tebow. But who is he surrounded by? Lance Ball? Donte Rosario? Eric Decker? Not exactly dynamic playmakers.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I agree with this. Sure Tebow's game fit the college game better, but there's a reason he won two national titles. His "it" factor or mystique or whatever you want to call it is through the roof.

But ultimately I agree with Matty- I don't know how long this experiment can last, and it will be really interesting to see how it plays out in Denver. They're going to ride this train until the wheels come off.

A side note here- Yes the Broncos offense played like crap for pretty much the entire game last night, and you can blame that on Tebow. But who is he surrounded by? Lance Ball? Donte Rosario? Eric Decker? Not exactly dynamic playmakers.

IMO, Tebow's accuracy cost them at least one big play(the one where Decker beat two Jets defenders. If Tebow improves his accuracy, the Denver offense will take off. I actually really like what I see in Tebow's game as a passer, except for the accuracy.

[GTripp0012]

You all know already how I feel about the notion that Tebow has a mythical quality that Kyle Orton doesn't to make his team play better. It's not that it's unreasonable to hypothesize such a thing, but it's not a good idea to start believing it. In three weeks, the Denver defense may not be playing so well, and if you have to keep explaining its performance in terms of Tebow, things will just get very confusing.

[GTripp0012]

Tebow is mechanically inconsistent right now in part, I believe, because Josh McDaniels screwed around with his throwing motion at the onset of last year and now that Tebow isn't getting the same coaching it has ensured his regression as a pocket passer. But the lesson I suppose is if coaching made him a decent thrower last year, then coaching can make him a decent thrower again.

[Chico23231]

Tebow is fun to watch. But eventually your gonna have to throw the ball downfield to convert in this league.

The missed incut to the TE, i believe second quarter, was just unacceptable. NFL QB has to make that throw in their sleep. Stuff like that had me changing the channel. Logan Thomas on Va Tech last night was much more interesting the to watch. He had a similar throw to his TE for a td, more of an out.

[Dirtbag59]

The thing I don't get though is how does that Denver defense and Von Miller barely get mentioned? I mean keep in mind they're winning low scoring games where both teams score under 20 points.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

The thing I don't get though is how does that Denver defense and Von Miller barely get mentioned? I mean keep in mind they're winning low scoring games where both teams score under 20 points.

It's all about Tebow, fair or not he's just a lightening rod for that stuff.

VM has gotten quite a bit of run this year. He's not exactly under the radar.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

The thing I don't get though is how does that Denver defense and Von Miller barely get mentioned? I mean keep in mind they're winning low scoring games where both teams score under 20 points.

Von Miller is a total beast! Great pick by Denver.

The media just can't stop blowing Tebow. It's so annoying. The guy can't even complete basic passes that college and high school qb's make. But when the game is on the line he seems to somehow deliver. I give this another few weeks. Denver can not keep winning games like this.

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Von Miller is a total beast! Great pick by Denver.

The media just can't stop blowing Tebow. It's so annoying. The guy can't even complete basic passes that college and high school qb's make. But when the game is on the line he seems to somehow deliver. I give this another few weeks. Denver can not keep winning games like this.

I'll be shocked if they split their remaining six games. They'll win two at most.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Von Miller is a total beast! Great pick by Denver.

The media just can't stop blowing Tebow. It's so annoying. The guy can't even complete basic passes that college and high school qb's make. But when the game is on the line he seems to somehow deliver. I give this another few weeks. Denver can not keep winning games like this.

Thats all that matters. But I still dont know what to think. I always thought he could be a nfl QB, but not like this.... i thought he was a much better "traditional qb" then people gave him credit for, even though hes getting it done im still way wrong.

Either way i think he is going to get a lot better. In the meantime GB^2 (God Bless & Go Broncos, for those that dont know)

[Ruhskins]

Tebow's play right now is basically the wildcat with a tad bit more accuracy (than let's say a RB throwing the ball). But just like the wildcat, teams will gameplan better and they will catch up to it.