Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs. Colts)

[NLC1054]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'd rather consistently go 80 yards in 10-15 plays, while moving the chains and controlling the clock, than to go 80 yards in a single play on occasions.

Bingo.

I thought we sucked last year a controlling the clock. No point in McNabb throwing a 78 yard bomb to anyone if he gets to the red zone and the drive stalls and we have to kick a field goal. Teams kick our butt a lot based on TOP, which also contributed to our defense being torn up all season.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'd rather consistently go 80 yards in 10-15 plays, while moving the chains and controlling the clock, than to go 80 yards in a single play on occasions.

Yes, that's what I would also call - being in full control of the game.

It's boring to some, but this is what I enjoyed and why I became a fan of the redskins during the reign of Gibbs I. Every season, under the Gibbs I era, they were consistently competitive even when they weren't good enough to compete for the superbowl. And some of the main reasons were the ones that you mentioned above.

[SirClintonPortis]

Matt Schaub attempted forty 20+ yard passes last season out of 574 attempts. He attempted 48 20+ yard passes in 2009 out of 583 attempts, which was Kyle Shanahan's last season there.

Andre Johnson's also had a 1500+ yard season in 2009. What this means is that a hell of a lot of the yards he got were from short and intermediate passes.

The Texans had a remarkably efficient passing game, and they didn't go deep that often.

Besides, with the touchback off kickoffs as king this season, teams will have to be able to move the chains or suffer in the field position battle.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Matt Schaub attempted forty 20+ yard passes last season out of 574 attempts. He attempted 48 20+ yard passes in 2009 out of 583 attempts, which was Kyle Shanahan's last season there.

Andre Johnson's also had a 1500+ yard season in 2009. What this means is that a hell of a lot of the yards he got were from short and intermediate passes.

The Texans had a remarkably efficient passing game, and they didn't go deep that often.

Besides, with the touchback off kickoffs as king this season, teams will have to be able to move the chains or suffer in the field position battle.

So in 2009 Schaub averaged 3 deep balls a game and 2.5 deep balls a game last year.

We've thrown maybe 2 deep balls in 2 games (I say "maybe" because the Stallworth throw was right about 20 yards and thus not that deep). Even if we count the Stallworth throw, we thus average 1 deep ball per game.

1 per game vs. 2.5 or 3 per game. There's a difference here.

If Houston's offense is the standard - which is debatable - then we have a lesser vertical element in our offense so far. That was my point.

As I said above, things may change with time.

[NLC1054]

Originally Posted by Lotus

So in 2009 Schaub averaged 3 deep balls a game and 2.5 deep balls a game last year.

We've thrown maybe 2 deep balls in 2 games (I say "maybe" because the Stallworth throw was right about 20 yards and thus not that deep). Even if we count the Stallworth throw, we thus average 1 deep ball per game.

1 per game vs. 2.5 or 3 per game. There's a difference here.

If Houston's offense is the standard - which is debatable - then we have a lesser vertical element in our offense so far. That was my point.

As I said above, things may change with time.

Yeah, we took two shots deep in the Steelers game. The first was off the play action bootleg where Rex rolled out and tried to hit Stallworth (yeah, I count that as deep.) The next was when Banks had that big return, Rex dropped back and tried the pump and go to Moss, which also fell incomplete.

Which brings us back to the Colts game. Again, just go back and look at the game tape--you never see the Colts safeties on the screen. They played two deep safeties and dropped seven every. Single. Down. Or almost every single down.

So the concept of "well we should've taken a shot deep because if not they're going to stick a safety in the box"...the Colts never dropped a safety in the box. The idea that we should've taken a shot deep just for the sake of taking one, even if there was practically no chance whatsoever of the pass being completed given how many guys were in coverage, is flawed.

I guess it would've made fans feel better, but it wouldn't have helped to win the football game.

[NLC1054]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Matt Schaub attempted forty 20+ yard passes last season out of 574 attempts. He attempted 48 20+ yard passes in 2009 out of 583 attempts, which was Kyle Shanahan's last season there.

Andre Johnson's also had a 1500+ yard season in 2009. What this means is that a hell of a lot of the yards he got were from short and intermediate passes.

The Texans had a remarkably efficient passing game, and they didn't go deep that often.

Besides, with the touchback off kickoffs as king this season, teams will have to be able to move the chains or suffer in the field position battle.

If you don't mind me asking, where did you get that info?

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

If you don't mind me asking, where did you get that info?

Espn.com stats. Go the "Splits" section. Scroll down a bit to "By Pass Play", and you'll see them.

Example: Peyton Manning Stats, Splits - Indianapolis Colts - ESPN

[Chico23231]

much greater concern than throwing it deep is converting in the red zone. I dont give a sh*t if we throw it long to get down there or dink and dunk. But it doesnt take a genius (even though many of us are on this board) to understand coming away with 7 is better than 3 and in our recent history of kicking fieldgoals, 0. Throw the damn ball in the endzone or a RB run over someone to get in...our redzone issues are nothing new

[firstdown]

We don't need to go deep we have guys peeling off 50 yard runs.

[skinsfaninok]

who cares if he can throw 60 yards? He's accurate and makes good decisions

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

who cares if he can throw 60 yards? He's accurate and makes good decisions

No one's asking him to just sit back and launch rockets all night long. But I think it's perfectly reasonable to say that we'd like to see what, when needed, Beck is able to do in terms of throwing a deep pass in a game situation. Not too much to ask that a guy we're trusting to be our starting QB in spite of not really doing much of anything his four years in the league show us something.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No one's asking him to just sit back and launch rockets all night long. But I think it's perfectly reasonable to say that we'd like to see what, when needed, Beck is able to do in terms of throwing a deep pass in a game situation. Not too much to ask that a guy we're trusting to be our starting QB in spite of not really doing much of anything his four years in the league show us something.

This.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No one's asking him to just sit back and launch rockets all night long. But I think it's perfectly reasonable to say that we'd like to see what, when needed, Beck is able to do in terms of throwing a deep pass in a game situation. Not too much to ask that a guy we're trusting to be our starting QB in spite of not really doing much of anything his four years in the league show us something.

I also want to see his deep ball but I was JS if he just has an AVG arm he could still win... Drew Brees for example

[NLC1054]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No one's asking him to just sit back and launch rockets all night long. But I think it's perfectly reasonable to say that we'd like to see what, when needed, Beck is able to do in terms of throwing a deep pass in a game situation. Not too much to ask that a guy we're trusting to be our starting QB in spite of not really doing much of anything his four years in the league show us something.

The problem with that being that the defense didn't afford Beck any opportunities to throw deep. I suppose Kyle could've dialed up a deep pass just because, but what's the point if a low percentage pass has even less of a shot of being completed? Just to make everyone sorta feel better that Beck could throw the pass deep?

Seems more likely that if Beck "took a shot" just for the hell of it, and his checkdown or a guy underneath was open, people would be complaining that he took a shot down field instead of getting the first down, like I saw people complain that Rex went deep to Stallworth when he had Fred Davis open for the first down.

In this offense, you take what the defense gives you. You think if Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers or Drew Brees or Peyton Manning or Matt Schaub sees a defense dropping 7 dudes into coverage and rushing four, they're going to force a pass down field when they can dump it off underneath and keep the chains moving? I don't.

I guess you could argue those guys have "proven" themselves, but they're also smart football players who aren't going to a risk a shot they don't have too often.

[SmootSmack]

I feel like maybe you glossed over the part where I said "when needed"