If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

First off, I work at a University. Second, I know and work with people in the Athletic Department so I know how it works. You on the other hand are making claims about it being a "myth" when it is in fact a reality. Where is YOUR proof that it's a myth?

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Also, if it goes in the red for so long without another program carrying it, chances are it'll be shutdown.

College Football program. Shut down. That's a good one. I lol'ed.

You must not be familiar with the burden of proof concept. When you can't back up a claim, I can just tell you that you can't back up your claim, and then you have to go out and prove it.

Point of the Game: The Dominance and the Myth of College Football II

The football data highlights the nasty secret of football and college sport: the world segregates by the vast majority of haves-sort; some sort of haves; and a super elite of absurd abundance, rather like the modern U.S. wealth distribution system. A staggering 94 percent of college football programs lose money; their revenue streams do not cover the costs of the program. This refutes the often cited claim that football pays for the rest of the athletic program. In a very very very few programs, maybe 10, football may generate enough surplus to help support other college sports, but in the vast majority of programs football programs vacuum up 85 percent of the expenditures and do not cover their costs.

I am surprised that the University of Central Florida is one of the two or three programs in the nation that can sustain an athletics program based strictly off the revenues of its football program. I would not have expected that. I know, for a fact, they are pretty much alone in terms of colleges of their size.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

^^ In response to that crazy rant above, I have to say your stance is a bit misguided. Athletes are under a set of rules to prevent advantages from bigger schools with more resources. It has to be in place to keep the advantages equal. However, it's apparent that the bigger schools aren't abiding by these rules as we've seen time and time again the programs being brought down.

What they should do is this. Coaches that get caught breaking (or ignoring) NCAA infractions, they should be fired, fined, and banned from coaching (beginning at a 5 year ban to indefinitely). Period. Tressel should never be allowed to coach again in the NCAA. It's not his first offense, and most likely won't be his last. (and many other coaches fall under this as well)

Right now, a coach can have all sorts of NCAA infractions against them, jet to another school and nothing happens.(in any sport) How in the hell does John Calapari still have a job in the NCAA system? It's mind boggling.


Paying athletes? Nope. SHouldn't happen. They get paid for room and board, education, and the cost of books. I dare you add that all up and see how much it equates to. Also, people don't realize that the money that college football (or basketball) brings in supports all the other athletic programs at a school.

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Look at that sweet new Olympic Complex going up at ECU. Who do think pays for that new soccer, softball, track field? Football does, that's who. Who do you think pays for the girls basketball team to travel from place to place? Football and men's basketball, that's who.

It sounds like you're one of the infractions people for the NCAA. His players were trading in rings that they earned for tats. Big deal! They all should've been suspended for a couple of games. They earned the rings and they should be allowed to do what ever the hell they want with them. A ring for some tats? We're not talking about thousands of dollars here. lol. Tressel turned his head an lied about it. Again, he should've taken his 2-3 game suspension and be done with it.

[GTripp0012]

Terrelle Pryor, interestingly, profiles quite well as a supplemental draft prospect. Really well, actually. Good height, strong build, a nice pedigree, being highly recruited out of PA. And really, he's started a ton of games (34) at Ohio State, was underrated with his accuracy this year, moves the chains, and doesn't have an obscenely high sack rate or anything (a fairly standard 6%).

The concerns about Pryor, I believe, aren't a mirage. He's a 21 year old kid. Does he truly "get it?" Does he understand what he needs to work on to improve and succeed at the next level? Well, he's young and likely still has people telling him what he needs to work on rather than understanding it for himself.

My concerns about Pryor are similar in nature to the concerns many had about Blaine Gabbert coming out. The differences of course could be as simple as Pryor's off-field activity being scrutinized in Columbus where Gabbert went largely unscrutinized in Columbia.

If you need your QB comparisons made along racial lines, Pryor is very similar to Josh Freeman in college. Freeman never ran as much, so he had less perceived translation to the NFL, but Freeman also had less necessity to run in the Big 12. Pryor often ran out of necessity, and while you could argue that it could have hindered his development as a passer, when you look at what you have in Pryor, you see a guy who looks a lot like the incredibly flawed first rounders of past seasons.

He succeeds in a good situation in the NFL, and fails in a poor situation. Which makes him...a pretty standard first rounder (but not top five pick) from the past four NFL drafts. Pryor's questions are, at least, more related to his off-field conduct than his on field performance, which gets graded often as only a negative.

If he enters the supplemental draft, I think a fourth round pick would be value well spent on Pryor as a QB.

[NLC1054]

The difference between "Kyle's offense" and "Mike's offense" is negligible at best and non-existent at worst, especially since "Kubiak's offense", which is what Kyle learned, is the same damned offense as the one he ran with Mike for years in Denver.

I think we as fans get caught up too often and just trying to get a quarterback, instead of trying to find the right quarterback.

If Mike doesn't feel like he can't be the guy, or can't turn into the guy very shortly, then no, he's not worth drafting or "taking a flyer on". If all he's ever going to be is a back-up quarterback...back-up quarterbacks are easy to find.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

The difference between "Kyle's offense" and "Mike's offense" is negligible at best and non-existent at worst, especially since "Kubiak's offense", which is what Kyle learned, is the same damned offense as the one he ran with Mike for years in Denver.

True they're technically the same offense its also the same offense that Heimdinger ran with the Titans.

Holmgren, McCarthy, Reid and Shanahan all come from the same offense (Bill Walsh) and were all Bill Walsh assistants.

But, you wouldn't say the all run the same offense.

Heimdinger was a longtime OC and assistant HC for Mike Shanahan so technically he and Kyle's run the same offense but would you say that Kyle and Heimdinger offense are the same? I wouldn't.

The playcalling and gameplanning focus within a particular offense is what gives coaches their identity.

Having been a huge fan of Mike Shanahan's Denver WCO, I can say that Kyle's offense is very different.

Here are some easy examples of the difference between Mike and Kyle:

o Pass-run ratio:
Mike is a career 50/50; Kyle career is 60/40.

o Mike is playaction(boot/swap) focus with movement passes (sprint out, dash out, sprint out).
Mike's offense results in simplified QB reads often time half field Hi-Lo reads.

Kyle is more straight drop back rhythm passing and is very dependent upon a QB decision making and reading out a full field progression.

The playcalling focus within the offense requires Mike and Kyle QBs to have different skillsets.
One of the benefits of Kyle's style is its less dependent upon a QB with elite physical skills.

Originally Posted by NLC1054

If Mike doesn't feel like he can't be the guy, or can't turn into the guy very shortly, then no, he's not worth drafting or "taking a flyer on". If all he's ever going to be is a back-up quarterback...back-up quarterbacks are easy to find.

Also, typically speaking QB 'gurus' often take a 'flyer' on at least 1 QB every draft wether they have a starter or not.

And there is value in finding a back-up, and no they're not easy to find.
There is value in drafting a QB late and developing them into a viable QB for the drafting team or as trade bait.

[schndr_tdd]

if i was going to the supplemental id go after the OL from ohio state

[irish]

Big-time college sports is a cess pool. No way will Pryor play QB as a pro maybe someone will take a flyer on him in hope that he will play TE or WR but the Skins dont need to take on a project like this.

[GMScud]

Well, looks like it'll be supplemental draft for Pryor:

Attorney: Pryor won't return for senior season - ESPN

[SmootSmack]

If there even is a supplemental draft. I wonder at what point they'll decide that

[GMScud]

I'm watching the 6pm SportsCenter right now, and the bottom line just said the supplemental draft will be help in July regardless of the lockout.

[SmootSmack]

SportsCenter?! Bah...what do they know?

That's interesting because last I heard there was a lot of debate as to whether there would be one but I guess I missed the memo that said it was definitely on.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

SportsCenter?! Bah...what do they know?

That's interesting because last I heard there was a lot of debate as to whether there would be one but I guess I missed the memo that said it was definitely on.

Well maybe it was a typo, because now the bottom line doesnt mention it as a certainty.

[NC_Skins]

If they can have the NFL draft, than why couldn't they have the supplemental draft? What exactly would prevent them from having this? Surely not the lockout.

[30gut]

The way I understand this upcoming supplemental draft was part of the last CBA.
But the supplemental draft is contingent upon players actually declaring for the draft; which as far as I know has yet to happen.

[FRPLG]

The draft was held as a provision of the expired cba that allowed for it explicitly. No such provision exists for a supplemtal draft.