Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I know and I'm glad for it. I have confidence they'll make the right decision. If it be a trade up, stay put, or move back in the draft. I'll be fine with it as long as we don't put all our eggs in one basket.

What if that one basket was named Andrew Luck?

Given the Shanahan era to date, if I said you could get Andrew Luck in a trade with the Colts, but it would cost you every pick in the 2012 draft and the 2013 first rounder, would you trade an entire draft for the guy?

I'd have to imagine you would, because there is a good chance the Colts would turn that offer down if it was actually made to them.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Exactly. By the way that jerk I operated on last week wants to sue me. Said surfing the web on my smart phone during emergency surgery counts as Malpractice.

Sounds like they should be suing the anesthesiologist. Emergency surgery should put the patient under. If the patient could tell what you were doing while operating on them, that's somebody else's problem...

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

We can't take risks for a guy that's not pro ready. The issue I have is we're not getting Luck, who's more pro ready than RG3.

Analogy:

Given the choice between Giada DeLaurentis and Kate Upton.

I'll marry the sexier lady and teach her how to cook later. We'll just order take out for a while.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by NM Redskin

I hate you. But really sick car.

Don't hate. Classic cars and race cars is my thing. I build'em restore'em and drive'em. That car is sick. All original numbers matching engine and trans. Raven Black with Red Stripes, Black interior. The car is considered a survivor. As in it has never been painted or restored. It is in great shape though for being older than me by 9 years!! Completely original. We picked it up during the recession. Classic cars took a big hit just like the rest of the economy. It was like buying a stock that you know is going to come back.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I want to see! I have a lowly 1970 Mustang Fastback 302...

I'll post a pick in a couple of days in one of the other threads. If I can figure out how!

My daughter has surgery in the am and will not be home till Saturday. So sometime next week I will get it done.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

We can't take risks for a guy that's not pro ready. The issue I have is we're not getting Luck, who's more pro ready than RG3.

You mean how Cam Newton wasn't pro ready? Because i'll take that not pro ready every day of the week.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

EarthQuake, we aren't going to see a guy do what Cam did anytime soon. That guy was just a freak and is not comparable to RGIII. Completely different players.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

What was the notion of Cam Newton this time last year? That he wasn't pro ready. We don't know what we will see from RGIII or Luck next year. For all we know they both could pass for 3,500 yards and 25 TDs.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

What was the notion of Cam Newton this time last year? That he wasn't pro ready. We don't know what we will see from RGIII or Luck next year. For all we know they both could pass for 3,500 yards and 25 TDs.

Oh Cam wasn't pro ready at all. Even in the preseason he looked lost. Then for some reason he became a Pro Bowl QB. Now the Panthers are contenders in the NFC South.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I'll take that non pro ready everyday.

[GTripp0012]

Agree with Dirtbag. For all the talk about how Tim Tebow couldn't throw a pro route tree, Cam Newton was actually worse than that in the preseason. Then he threw for four bucks in Week 1.

Cam's rookie year wasn't a historically great passing season for a QB or anything, but it was the kind of season you would expect from a guy who may become an all-time great, but isn't at this time. What Cam Newton -- very quietly, I might add -- did with his legs in 2011 is something we haven't seen in the history of the NFL.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Agreed GTripp.

That's part of his package and was definitely part of what I was referring to.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

What if that one basket was named Andrew Luck?

Given the Shanahan era to date, if I said you could get Andrew Luck in a trade with the Colts, but it would cost you every pick in the 2012 draft and the 2013 first rounder, would you trade an entire draft for the guy?

I'd have to imagine you would, because there is a good chance the Colts would turn that offer down if it was actually made to them.

It depends on which team I was? The 49ers? Sure, I'd go all in to get him. The Skins? Probably not.

If I'm the Colts, the pick isn't even up for grabs regardless of how many picks you offered. I'm quite positive they would indeed turn down that trade scenario you mentioned.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Oh Cam wasn't pro ready at all. Even in the preseason he looked lost. Then for some reason he became a Pro Bowl QB. Now the Panthers are contenders in the NFC South.

Let's slow up with the contender talk...lol Granted the kid had a great rookie year, but it's too soon to anoint him as the next great thing.


Also, being a pro-bowler doesn't mean much of anything, and the reality of it is he only got in because other QBs declined.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If they offer two first rounders to the Rams/Vikings, neither is going to say "no", they would either have a better offer from the Browns or Dolphins, or they would do that trade in a heartbeat.

And personally, I don't really care if the target is Griffin or Blackmon, as both will hopefully improve your passing offense. I have Griffin rated a lot higher than Blackmon, but if you have Blackmon rated much higher than RG3, then he's probably the one worth trading up for.

It does look like the cost of improving the passing offense in the first round would be a trade up and costing your 2013 first rounder. But you could get Trent Richardson, (perhaps) Mo Claiborne, or Reily Reiff to improve your ground game or pass defense without moving anywhere.

I'm sure there is a school of thought in the FO that is similar to the above.

I guess I'm too trade up averse to advocate trading up for anyone other then a QB.
WRs scare the beejesus out of me and I like our receiving corps at present at have hopes for Hankerson.
I like Richardson but I don't see an Adrian Peterson when I look at him.
I also struggle with whether Kyle's playcalling will ever lend itself to 'featuring' a running back enough to reap the benefits a back like Richardson could provide over our current stable of backs.

I do agree about the compensation and I think it would be reasonable to trade up for Griffin if the cost is next years 1st as opposed to this years 2nd + another pick.
Personally I would try to trade with the Vikes in hopes of lowering the compensation.

I like the idea of staying put for Reif, I believe a sure fire way to prove every aspect of our offense is through upgrading the OL.
I'm old school in the sense because I believe 'winning' at the POA makes any scheme or any set of X's and O's better.

I already know you don't like Tannehill as much as I do but..
I would have to think that there is an element in the FO that wants to take Tannehill.

Maybe 6 is too rich for Ryan and in my heart of hearts I would like to trade down and get Tannehill and the 3rd/4th rated OT Martin or Adams.
But trading down is huge risk when you're gambling on a QB unless they have other QBs that they like later on in the draft like Weeden or Foles.

Then there is always the question of what happens to McCoy should the Browns take Griffin.
I'm probably alone in this but I think McCoy would be a really good fit in Kyle's offense and would provide an instant and meaninful upgrade to Rex and would still have a good amount of to improve before reaching his potential.