Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well you wouldn't be able to surround the young QB with a lot of new talent this season (since you'd be giving up picks), but possibly the next season.

I would consider Helu/Hightower/Royster/Hankerson/Davis young talent. Throw Dwayne Bowe in there and you've got something.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's a simple numbers game. Would have have more of a chance of winning the lottery if I gave you 100 tickets or if I game you 1?

Could be either, depending on how the different games are structured.

With the caveat of: if we have a chance to turn this 6th overall pick into 100 picks anywhere in the draft, I think we should do it, no matter who is available at the 6th pick.

[Son Of Man]

NC:

I respectfully disagree...do it now (if they have targeted a guy they like).

All due respect....Vinny jokes are getting a tad stale. Just saying, I appreciate original material.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

And there are sources that point to the Redskins going after Griffin. Granted I would bet on them signing Peyton at this point but it's certainly not outside the realm of possibility that they will trade up for RGIII.

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I didn't say they weren't interested in RGIII or that they weren't going to move up. I said they weren't going to sell the farm for him.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Have your nurse call me secretary. Had a similar case last year when a client was being sued for eating while removing tonsils. Knocked it out in 15 minutes.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I didn't say they weren't interested in RGIII or that they weren't going to move up. I said they weren't going to sell the farm for him.

I wouldn't sell the whole farm.

But I would slaughter a couple of cows, butcher a few pigs and break some chicken necks....to make room for a prized Stallion I could put out to stud.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

NC:

I respectfully disagree...do it now (if they have targeted a guy they like).

All due respect....Vinny jokes are getting a tad stale. Just saying, I appreciate original material.

No. What's getting stale is the..........TRADE IT ALL FOR THIS GUY BECAUSE HE"S THE SURE FIRE THING.....mentality. How about you practice your own advice and try something new instead of what we've been doing the past 12 years. Until that mentality changes, it's Vinnish and always will be. I just find it ironic that many of you are exactly like the guy you profess to hate or despise.

I like RGIII and would love for him to be on this team, but not at the expense of what some of you are willing to give up. That said, there is a certain amount I would be fine with doing. Hell, I would rather move up to the #3 or #4 than the #2.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No. What's getting stale is the..........TRADE IT ALL FOR THIS GUY BECAUSE HE"S THE SURE FIRE THING.....mentality. How about you practice your own advice and try something new instead of what we've been doing the past 12 years.

NEWS FLASH:

We have a different Front Office.

Maybe some hourly paid couch time might help you get past the trauma you suffered during the Ceratto era?

Now...breathe in, breathe out....isn't that soothing

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

NEWS FLASH:

We have a different Front Office.

Maybe some hourly paid couch time might help you get past the trauma you suffered during the Ceratto era?

Now...breathe in, breathe out....isn't that soothing

I know and I'm glad for it. I have confidence they'll make the right decision. If it be a trade up, stay put, or move back in the draft. I'll be fine with it as long as we don't put all our eggs in one basket.

[Ruhskins]

In the end I feel that Shanahan is not going to have one single strategy in mind. How this all develops will be a series of cause/effect situations happening. For instance here is my take:

Free Agency: The Redskins will look for a viable FA QB in free agency. If a healthy Manning is an option, I think MS goes for him. It gives him a lot of flexibility in the draft and the team will be able to keep their picks. Worst case scenario the team will sign some FA QB that is a viable starter, this will be important for any trade up negotiations. The Redskins will also look at the deep free agent class of WRs to possibly get their #1 receiver. Also, I am sure they will look for o-line depth, and defensive players.

Draft: With Manning or a viable FA QB starter, the Redskins may be in a better position to negotiate, as they will not appear to be desperate for RG3. So here is where a lot of things could happen or not happen. The Browns have the most ammo, but if they acquire a FA QB, then I think we become the next best trading partner. Also, RG3 could miraculously fall to us. Or we could trade up (esp if we don't have Manning), but hopefully it will mean that we won't be betting the farm. I think that if we do come out of free agency with a mediocre QB (e.g. another Grossman) then we are going to get bent over in a trade up.

My point with this is that anything can happen. There are good and bad reasons for acquiring Manning, there are good or bad reasons for trading up for RG3. At least we have options this year. We could be stuck with a terrible QB free agent class and having to overpay in a trade to get RG3.

[GTripp0012]

The Redskins have great flexibility in free agency to add contracts the way that the other NFC East teams do not have, and I think they will leverage that flexibility. I mean, you sign a bunch of 25 and 26 year olds and then you pay a huge price to go get Griffin, and you've managed to improve the team without mortgaging the future.

The problem is that, even if you do a great job with contract structure, there's going to be a certain percentage of the free agent class that just -- for lack of a better term -- doesn't fit, and you'll be overcoming it all season which is incredibly problematic if you don't have young depth behind it. Given a year to get it all right, you can always throw away the parts that didn't work out and keep the parts that did, but the biggest problem is that Mike Shanahan doesn't have a year to throw away.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The Redskins have great flexibility in free agency to add contracts the way that the other NFC East teams do not have, and I think they will leverage that flexibility. I mean, you sign a bunch of 25 and 26 year olds and then you pay a huge price to go get Griffin, and you've managed to improve the team without mortgaging the future.

The problem is that, even if you do a great job with contract structure, there's going to be a certain percentage of the free agent class that just -- for lack of a better term -- doesn't fit, and you'll be overcoming it all season which is incredibly problematic if you don't have young depth behind it. Given a year to get it all right, you can always throw away the parts that didn't work out and keep the parts that did, but the biggest problem is that Mike Shanahan doesn't have a year to throw away.

And this is where his two wasted years of QB blunders will come back and haunt MS.

[GTripp0012]

Think of the Adam Archuleta signing in 2006 and how Gregg Williams was planning on starting Pierson Prioleau at SS that season. And then on the opening kickoff of the season (because someone has to cover kicks), Prioleau tears his knee up and you're stuck watching Archuleta get torched in coverage for seven games. If your Plan B is not existent, a Plan A such as I outlined above can work against you.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

And this is where his two wasted years of QB blunders will come back and haunt MS.

The single biggest problem with the Shanahan era has been that other part: that in terms of the moves he made, you can't really group it by moves that have worked out, and moves that haven't worked out. The two groups have been: moves that have failed spectacularly (McNabb, Brown, unfortunately Hightower), and moves that still could go either way (Banks, Cofield, Wilson, Atogwe, Bowen). There is no group of guys who have achieved great success in the NFL (Kerrigan? Even that's jumping to conclusions).

The moves that worked out great have been Vonnie Holliday, Jabar Gaffney, Sav Rocca. Those guys were all too old to be franchise cornerstones, and the offensive weapon of the group is the punter.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

I keep hearing the "we can't afford to take risks"...."let's stockpile our picks" arguement.

It's like a guy who gets his undergrad degree...gets offered a high paying job with big bonus incentives (performance based of course)...and turns it down because he doesn't want to risk not getting his MBA before hitting the field. He takes more years, gets his MBA, and comes out making the same money he was offered after undergrad...then he realizes that he could have "taken a risk", took the job, earned his MBA part-time, built up his resume and would have been making more $$$$.


Long and corny way to say....get our QB of the future and build around him while we develop him. Don't be afraid to multi-task.

We can't take risks for a guy that's not pro ready. The issue I have is we're not getting Luck, who's more pro ready than RG3.