Who is Kirk Cousins?

[rocnrik]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Whoa hold on there.Our pass protection has been pretty good this yr,run blocking is a different story.Skins are one of the leaders in fewest sacks given up

He had know time to pass against Dallas ..part of the issue is the RB kept missing blocks..they had to bring in Compton and kept TE also to help block.Cousins was harassed all night long and still did not play bad..The skins need a center bad. There are so many needs that i hope we don't draft a QB with a top pick. Reed is killing us with penalties also..whats up with that? It looks like the skins are going to let Kirk throw it more down the stretch so we are going to find out who Kirk is now!

[rocnrik]

If the Redskins get lucky and get a few draft picks and free agents that actually make a difference and next year with Cousins we win 10 games the Cousins haters will say the reason they won was the new players they added..it will never be because of Kirks play to some. If Jay Cutler had been playing in washington all these years what do you think the fan base would say of his career?? I would not trade Cousins for Cutler.

[Ruhskins]

I don't understand why people get so worked up on both sides in regards to Cousins.

Unless he truly shits the bed in the rest of the season, Cousins is likely going to get an extension. He will probably get overpaid, because all QBs get overpaid (see Ryan Tannehill). QB free agency doesn't look that great for next offseason; and Scot McCloughan already had a bad experience in Seattle when they got Matt Flynn as the top FA QB and he flopped.

On the flipside, just because Cousins gets an extension it doesn't mean that the team will not get a young QB in the next year or so. I mean look at Green Bay way back, when they had Favre and drafted Rodgers.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't understand why people get so worked up on both sides in regards to Cousins.

Unless he truly shits the bed in the rest of the season, Cousins is likely going to get an extension. He will probably get overpaid, because all QBs get overpaid (see Ryan Tannehill). QB free agency doesn't look that great for next offseason; and Scot McCloughan already had a bad experience in Seattle when they got Matt Flynn as the top FA QB and he flopped.

On the flipside, just because Cousins gets an extension it doesn't mean that the team will not get a young QB in the next year or so. I mean look at Green Bay way back, when they had Favre and drafted Rodgers.

Look at you! Somebody who finally gets it!

Yes, he'll be re-signed.

Yes, he'll be overpaid.

No, there isn't anybody better out there who we can get right now.

No, re-signing Kirk doesn't mean that we won't draft a young QB.

We're not talking about anointing Kirk as the Redskins starter for the next ten years but he is our best option for right now. And we're going to have to overpay because the specter of a huge $25MM Franchise Player tag will make it necessary.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't understand why people get so worked up on both sides in regards to Cousins.



Unless he truly shits the bed in the rest of the season, Cousins is likely going to get an extension. He will probably get overpaid, because all QBs get overpaid (see Ryan Tannehill). QB free agency doesn't look that great for next offseason; and Scot McCloughan already had a bad experience in Seattle when they got Matt Flynn as the top FA QB and he flopped.



On the flipside, just because Cousins gets an extension it doesn't mean that the team will not get a young QB in the next year or so. I mean look at Green Bay way back, when they had Favre and drafted Rodgers.

Favre was in his 14 th year and 10 years older than Cousins when GB drafted Rodgers. Unless there is some crazy good qb who inexplicably is there when we are picking anywhere in the draft I would rather hold Colt and maybe get a veteren who can still play to back up KC. I think it would be a huge mistake to reach at all for a qb when KC is finally going into an offseason knowing it is his team.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Favre was in his 14 th year and 10 years older than Cousins when GB drafted Rodgers. Unless there is some crazy good qb who inexplicably is there when we are picking anywhere in the draft I would rather hold Colt and maybe get a veteren who can still play to back up KC. I think it would be a huge mistake to reach at all for a qb when KC is finally going into an offseason knowing it is his team.

Isn't Colt a veteran who can back up KC? And I didn't say anything about reaching for a QB. I'm just saying that keeping Cousins doesn't mean we won't get a QB.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Isn't Colt a veteran who can back up KC? And I didn't say anything about reaching for a QB. I'm just saying that keeping Cousins doesn't mean we won't get a QB.

I said "hold colt, and get a veteran to back up KC". I meant collectively. I should have been more clear and said "another veteran" though. My bad. Anyway I think anytime you draft a player, in this case a qb as you mentioned, that is not going to play anytime soon - when you have SO MANY OTHER NEEDS- it is a reach. Also it would maybe mess with KC's head. Where as if we stand pat with Colt and another veteran, KC knows he is the man. When GB took Rodgers, Favre was obviously towards the end of his career and it was a case where a really highly touted qb was inexplicably hanging around.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

...Anyway I think anytime you draft a player, in this case a qb as you mentioned, that is not going to play anytime soon - when you have SO MANY OTHER NEEDS- it is a reach.

When do you think its okay/'not a reach' to draft a QB somewhere in the draft?

I wouldn't worry about it messing with Kirk's head. If Kirk is the QB you think he is, i'm sure he'll be fine.

...When GB took Rodgers, Favre was obviously towards the end of his career and it was a case where a really highly touted qb was inexplicably hanging around.

Scrathing my head....

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I said "hold colt, and get a veteran to back up KC". I meant collectively. I should have been more clear and said "another veteran" though. My bad. Anyway I think anytime you draft a player, in this case a qb as you mentioned, that is not going to play anytime soon - when you have SO MANY OTHER NEEDS- it is a reach. Also it would maybe mess with KC's head. Where as if we stand pat with Colt and another veteran, KC knows he is the man. When GB took Rodgers, Favre was obviously towards the end of his career and it was a case where a really highly touted qb was inexplicably hanging around.

Personally, I think it is unwise to depend solely on a QB who has been pretty much up and down, even in this year which is so far his best. Drafting a QB in the next two years should not be out of the question IMO. Other than Trent and Kerrigan, I don't think there is anyone else on this roster who is locked in at their position.

[NoCalHail]

I have no idea about contracts. I am not even factoring in money at this point as I know QB's make a lot of money, often more than their actual worth due to it being the single biggest need on a team.

As far as QB's go, I'd say other than Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning (in his prime), Cam (at least the 2016 version), Phillip Rivers, Rothelisburger (at least for a stretch of his career), Eli Manning, most of the rest of the pack other than the bottom feeders like Cassel, *insert Browns QB here*, are interchangeable.

Basically I don't think Cousins is a Top 10 QB, but I also don't think he is a bottom 10. That leaves him in that middle of the pack category and I think a lot of those guys are interchangeable. They can captain the ship but aren't difference makers.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

I have no idea about contracts. I am not even factoring in money at this point as I know QB's make a lot of money, often more than their actual worth due to it being the single biggest need on a team.



As far as QB's go, I'd say other than Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning (in his prime), Cam (at least the 2016 version), Phillip Rivers, Rothelisburger (at least for a stretch of his career), Eli Manning, most of the rest of the pack other than the bottom feeders like Cassel, *insert Browns QB here*, are interchangeable.



Basically I don't think Cousins is a Top 10 QB, but I also don't think he is a bottom 10. That leaves him in that middle of the pack category and I think a lot of those guys are interchangeable. They can captain the ship but aren't difference makers.

Fair enough. I think that middle pack is a little more diverse than you - in other words - are they closer to being a bottom feeder or a difference maker? Imo Kirk is certainly middle of the pack now but i feel he is towards the top of that group. I believe if things are done properly around him over this off season he can be a difference maker.

[NoCalHail]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Fair enough. I think that middle pack is a little more diverse than you - in other words - are they closer to being a bottom feeder or a difference maker? Imo Kirk is certainly middle of the pack now but i feel he is towards the top of that group. I believe if things are done properly around him over this off season he can be a difference maker.

Well right, but I don't think he has shown quite enough for us at the fan level to say for certain that his ceiling is much higher than what he's shown in his better games this season. The hope is that the GM and Coaches know though, and will act accordingly.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

Well right, but I don't think he has shown quite enough for us at the fan level to say for certain that his ceiling is much higher than what he's shown in his better games this season. The hope is that the GM and Coaches know though, and will act accordingly.

Well i think it is fair to say that he is a hell of alot better than we thought he was last year. Not sure why that progression is so apparently over at age 27 but hey.
He might be at his ceiling. However his pattern of play seems to suggest otherwise currently.

[Chico23231]

If McC sees a good QB and it lines up BPA...take him

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

If McC sees a good QB and it lines up BPA...take him

So second round with all of our needs there is a good qb, good ilb, good safety, and good center. The qb is bpa. Take the qb? I say .... Poppycock to that.