Redskins' Secondary Woes

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

As much as I like Blache and the defense, I largely agree with GTripp. We're a very, very good defense, but we're not elite. Elite defenses produce sacks, many 3&Os, and turnovers.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

As much as I like Blache and the defense, I largely agree with GTripp. We're a very, very good defense, but we're not elite. Elite defenses produce sacks, many 3&Os, and turnovers.

Yep...that's the bottom line at this point. Blache still has work to do. Let's hope he's not done scheming and he "gets smarter."

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

As much as I like Blache and the defense, I largely agree with GTripp. We're a very, very good defense, but we're not elite. Elite defenses produce sacks, many 3&Os, and turnovers.

I don't think anyone around here thinks we're an elite defense. My only beef w/ Blache is he needs to hide his blitzes a little better.

[MTK]

Something tells me that wasn't our all-out defensive attack last night.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Something tells me that wasn't our all-out defensive attack last night.

I sure hope not.

If there was one facet of the defense that I've had any concerns about it's the secondary. I like DeAngelo Hall, and I think it was a wise move to sign him, but to say there was a competition between him and Randy Moss is like saying there's competition between bugs and windshields.

Good thing we don't have to see him twice a year.

I do wonder how different it would have been with Rogers on the field. And to be fair, we did eventually put up some resistance later in the second quarter.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Something tells me that wasn't our all-out defensive attack last night.

Yeah I agree with that. Im also gonna play the "its only preseason" card right now. The same one that was being played when JC struggled his first couple preseason games. Carlos presence on the field is a factor as well, but if there is any coach I have full faith in, its Coach Blanche. He will have things tightened up by the start of season and continue to add wrinkles as the season goes on. Im not stressing about the D at all, just want to see the Offense to continue to do the type of things it did last night.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

To me the defense looked kinda vanilla. We ran the same blitzes we have seen all preseason. The coaches aren't game planning that much. We really need Carlos for the secondary to be better. We have to remember to that we went up against the best offense in the league last night without our number 1 corner. Our team looked good. we styed with those guys step for step and point for point. Our d did get a big stop at the end of the half. Kudos gentleman!

[CultBrennan59]

sure carlos rogers didn't play, and deangelo hall got beat by randy moss, but still is good..after that, im a little sketch about our secondary..maybe we should bring in a vet like patrick surtain, and cut tryon.

[RedTempleSkin]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

sure carlos rogers didn't play, and deangelo hall got beat by randy moss, but still is good..after that, im a little sketch about our secondary..maybe we should bring in a vet like patrick surtain, and cut tryon.

Tryon played decent last night. In fact he a impressive pass break up on what I thought was a third down play. I'm not a big fan of his, but I don't see many vets that will offer more than what he does, if so they would be on someone else's roster. If you look at the way the secondary played, it did fine except for whoever paid on Moss. I think letting him go one on one with Hall was not smart. We did play without Rogers, he is a very good corner, maybe our best.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

My point is that Carlos is a bigger bodied cb and could have been able to play a little better against a bigger reciever like Moss.

[DBUCHANON101]

Pick 6's and fumble returns are great but if we have to depend on those to win we are already in trouble.

[GTripp0012]

And admittedly, the offensive numbers don't look very good if you remove the 4-1 start from the equation. In the final 11 games, we were a demonstrably below average offense.

The defensive numbers were just very vanilla the *entire* season, and while the points against ranking is certainly a function of the consistency the defense showed all season, the defense had no margin for error at the end of the season, and completely collapsed.

I've always maintained: I have no idea if the defense was more to blame for the offense. When we were a great team, we combined highly efficient offense with strong, solid defense. When we were a horrible team, we had inept offense, and swiss cheese defense. When we were in the middle, we were mediocre on both units. That's just sort of the way it's always been.

[GTripp0012]

The big problem, in my eyes, is not that anyone could think that a defense that gives up 18.5 PPG is doing it's job. It probably is. It's when you extrapolate from the figure there that the blame for 8-8 MUST lie somewhere else since the defense does an above average job of preventing the opponent from scoring. There's nothing in logic or reason that says you know enough from that one number to make that leap of faith.

Ergo, saying the defense is "top five" is a really big leap of faith, and probably doesn't hold up once I bring double-digit win teams who win with defense into the discussion. That's the last word from me, for now.

[RedBar]

What a Trip!

[JLee9718]

Barnes looked good. And Randy Moss will make anybody look bad. I can't believe the Pats got him for just a 3rd or 4th round pick.