What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

In order for zorn to keep his job he must get us a playoff birth and at least one playoff win, most likely two wins if he gets fired expect holmgren to be our next coach just to keep it with a familiar system

I'm surprised at the number of people who think that Synder is so impatient/impetuous that he would fire a coach that IMPROVED! No way Snyder fires Zorn coming off of a playoff year. If we get to the playoffs we're going to have to win at least 9 games. That would mean that Zorn's career record will be over .500. I don't see any scenario that Snyder can justify that firing.

[DBUCHANON101]

yeah a deep playoff run will save him. hopefully we can avoid the late season collapse like last yr. 12 pts a game wont cut it.

[DBUCHANON101]

hopefully the offense shows improvement and we wont have to worry about it. Thomas and Kelly need to break out this season.

[franklinhimself]

I believe a 10-6 record can get us into the playoffs. With our acquisitions we made in the offseason, plus second year in the Zorn system, Zorn-Campbell era really begins to stride. It'll happen, barring 2 or more long-term (4+ weeks) injuries on the O-line.

[SmootSmack]

Norv is barely scraping by in a division that features the Raiders and Chiefs (who should be improved over the next few years). I don't know what kind of coach he is now, but as I've said in the past I was around him a lot his last three years here and he was so clueless and had absolutely no control of the team.

As for Zorn, he needs to finish with a winning record and probably a playoff appearance (maybe even a win) to stay

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Norv is barely scraping by in a division that features the Raiders and Chiefs (who should be improved over the next few years). I don't know what kind of coach he is now, but as I've said in the past I was around him a lot his last three years here and he was so clueless and had absolutely no control of the team.

As for Zorn, he needs to finish with a winning record and probably a playoff appearance (maybe even a win) to stay

A former player (WR) who joined the Redskins later in his career told me that Turner was a great offensive mind who was completely overmatched as a head coach. He said Norv was way too timid and nice of a guy to be a head coach but he would always be a great coordinator.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

A former player (WR) who joined the Redskins later in his career told me that Turner was a great offensive mind who was completely overmatched as a head coach. He said Norv was way too timid and nice of a guy to be a head coach but he would always be a great coordinator.

Way overmatched. He has never been able to control his players, not in Washington, from what Jerry Rice has said-not in Oakland, and who knows about San Diego. He couldn't multi-task, had limited knowledge of what any unit beyond offense (and really just the passing game) was doing. It's one thing to delegate, like Gibbs did. But at least Gibbs was involved and aware of what was happening across the entire team. Norv was Spurrier-esque in his involvement, or lack thereof. He had no sense of what it meant to "rally the troops" or other intangible qualities necessary to be a head coach. He lost a lot of respect, what little he still had, when he barely gave Westbrook a slap on the wrist after the Stephen Davis incident. He let several veteran superstars (Hall of Famers) walk all over him, and in many cases divide the locker room. Honestly, he and Spurrier were just totally clueless. The difference was that Spurrier didn't seem to care. I think Norv cared but just was way in over his head. Maybe he's improved now, but he was a total joke here.

I hope Zorn doesn't follow the same path.

[DBUCHANON101]

I'd say mainly have the team show improvement. meaning the offense is more consistant and the defense continues to do well with the new additions.

[Skinny Tee]

I think that it is crazy that people are considering this Zorn's make or break year when he hasn't even had the time to coach his rookie draft class to a second season.

The only way you can consider this a make or break year for Zorn is if you had expectations for the Skins to hire a big name coach after Gibbs left.

We never should have had Zorn as a head coach in the first place if that is the case.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I think that it is crazy that people are considering this Zorn's make or break year when he hasn't even had the time to coach his rookie draft class to a second season.

The only way you can consider this a make or break year for Zorn is if you had expectations for the Skins to hire a big name coach after Gibbs left.

We never should have had Zorn as a head coach in the first place if that is the case.

Let's say this season is a total disaster. I don't see that happening but for the sake of this discussion let's say they go 5-11 or worse. In that situation could you not see Zorn being on the hot seat especially if someone like Holmgren is sitting out there?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Let's say this season is a total disaster. I don't see that happening but for the sake of this discussion let's say they go 5-11 or worse. In that situation could you not see Zorn being on the hot seat especially if someone like Holmgren is sitting out there?

Holmgren would never take the job if we fired Zorn though. Shanahan or Gruden would take whatever they can get.

[Nflnick11]

Well the chargers owner fired martty after he went 14-2 but lost his first playoff game, and I would say that dan snyder is a more impatient owner than the chargers owner so that's why I say JZ has to win a playoff game to keep his job, paintrain..

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Well the chargers owner fired martty after he went 14-2 but lost his first playoff game, and I would say that dan snyder is a more impatient owner than the chargers owner so that's why I say JZ has to win a playoff game to keep his job, paintrain..

Again what current evidence do you have to say DS is a more impatient owner? I don't really know SD that well, but Marty's firing at SD was absolutely crazy. Gibbs went 5-11 after reaching the playoffs, then reached the playoffs BARELY and could have received an extension, yes he was JG but if DS was as impatient as people make him out to be, why would JG have survived 2 non playoff seasons???

[ronnieo]

Joe Gibb's had three super bowls! Zorn has what? Unless he makes the Super Bowl or goes 12 and 4 he is out. Its not right but DS will not be able to resist the temptation of going after Cower, Holmgren, Shanahan, or Gruden, heck maybe even Parcells!!!!!!!! Jerry Jones and DS will be in a bidding war for one of these coaches......

[MTK]

Originally Posted by ronnieo

Joe Gibb's had three super bowls! Zorn has what? Unless he makes the Super Bowl or goes 12 and 4 he is out. Its not right but DS will not be able to resist the temptation of going after Cower, Holmgren, Shanahan, or Gruden, heck maybe even Parcells!!!!!!!! Jerry Jones and DS will be in a bidding war for one of these coaches......

So 10-6 or 11-5 won't be good enough?