Ocho Cinco In B&G

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

You are right when you said that JC is not a top QB in the league but dont you think that it may help him develop if he gets a top notch WR?

Yeah, maybe, but you have to watch out that it's not goint to hurt his growth as a QB. If CJ doesn't see the ball for a half or a game i'm not sure it would help JC to have a reciever blow up on him. That's all I'm saying. It's risky.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by redsk1

My major concern would be what happens when they don't get the ball? JC is not a top QB in the league. Would CJ be happy w/ 70 catches? I don't think so. Would he become a problem if we don't win? Maybe.

I like CJ as a reciever, he's a hard worker, but I get a little tired of his antics. I'm an old school guy and i'd rather see a Art Monk guy, an LT guy, not a CJ overthetop endzone celebration.

With that being said 1400 yards and 15 TD's would go a long way. It's just a risky move. If we get a Randy Moss trade (4th rounder) for CJ it would be tough to pass up though.

Who the hell cares if a guy scores a TD and walks off like he's been there before, or if he scores a TD and pulls out a cell phone and calls his mom to say hi?

It still counts for 6 points doesn't it? People are getting WAAAY too carried away with this crap. Hard work and production are what matters most. Everything else is secondary... WAAAY secondary.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Who the hell cares if a guy scores a TD and walks off like he's been there before, or if he scores a TD and pulls out a cell phone and calls his mom to say hi?

It still counts for 6 points doesn't it? People are getting WAAAY too carried away with this crap. Hard work and production are what matters most. Everything else is secondary... WAAAY secondary.

Yeah, i don't mind the celebrations but personally it gets a little over the top sometimes. It's not just the celebration but the interviews, the ME talk, it just get's old sometimes. I really like CJ and his work ethic, but he needs to tone it down just a little. He doesn't have to talk about every CB he's beaten each week. For me personally i just get tired of CJ sometimes.

[Redskins8588]

You are right that Denver can produce RB's but I really don't see the Redskins getting rid of a proven WCO RB. My only reserve with Portis is this, did he shorten his career by playing in Gibbs system?

[Redskins8588]

Either way at the end of the day I say get CJ or Moss, I pretty sure that Campbell can hit either one deep. Also, I think having a top 5 WR will help Campbell develop into a much better QB...

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Either way at the end of the day I say get CJ or Moss, I pretty sure that Campbell can hit either one deep. Also, I think having a top 5 WR will help Campbell develop into a much better QB...

Yeah, a WR like CJ will open up everything for us. He's also a much better red zone threat than anybody we have here.

He'll take defensive attention away from other receivers and Cooley. It will give defenses fits. You can't cover both a healthy CJ and a healthy Santana Moss without a Cover 2 (unless you've got Charles Woodson and Al Harris). And Cooley is made to gash a cover 2 over the middle.

Nevermind the fact that Portis will never see an eight man front again in his life.

The entire offense becomes very hard to gameplan for. Campbell will automatically produce better numbers without even improving the accuracy of his throws.

Granted, it would take time for CJ, Moss, Cooley, ARE, and JC to master the West Coast. But once they do, they'd be a fierce offensive unit.

[WillH]

Yo quiero ocho cinco, pero, no creo que el viene aqui.

[freddyg12]

It sounds like there's more to CJ's behavior than just a passion for winning & celebrating. He's been gradually acting more selfish. The first publicity I remember of it was when the host bengals lost to the evenutal SB champ steelers in 05-06. At halftime of that game it was reported that he threw a tantrum & had to be restrained.

Since then it seems the sideline arguments & overall complaining have increased. He's nowhere near the problem child TO is, but his behavior, as noted by JLC, has alienated teamates. It's too easy to say all the bengals are to blame. Sure, they've had a lot of problem players as far as off field stuff goes, but none of them appears as selfish on the field.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

It sounds like there's more to CJ's behavior than just a passion for winning & celebrating. He's been gradually acting more selfish. The first publicity I remember of it was when the host bengals lost to the evenutal SB champ steelers in 05-06. At halftime of that game it was reported that he threw a tantrum & had to be restrained.

Since then it seems the sideline arguments & overall complaining have increased. He's nowhere near the problem child TO is, but his behavior, as noted by JLC, has alienated teamates. It's too easy to say all the bengals are to blame. Sure, they've had a lot of problem players as far as off field stuff goes, but none of them appears as selfish on the field.

Here's the key point. I'd much rather have Chad Johnson's talent and his passion/any tendency to yell at teammates than Reche Caldwell's talent and his complete and total cooperation as a teammate.

We'd win more games with CJ as a Redskin than we would without him.

Hey, if we can find another game breaking WR out there who wouldn't be a problem, I'm all for that. I'm not necessarily married to CJ. But I do think a big move at WR is a wise idea. It would make a huge difference for us.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Here's the key point. I'd much rather have Chad Johnson's talent and his passion/any tendency to yell at teammates than Reche Caldwell's talent and his complete and total cooperation as a teammate.

We'd win more games with CJ as a Redskin than we would without him.

Hey, if we can find another game breaking WR out there who wouldn't be a problem, I'm all for that. I'm not necessarily married to CJ. But I do think a big move at WR is a wise idea. It would make a huge difference for us.

A big move at WR would make our O dangerous, no disagreement there. I hope we get a good wr & I know it's very tough to draft that position & get any solid contribution for 3 yrs.

Still, as Skins fans we know that bringing in the next star that looks great on paper doesn't equate to wins. CJ is a serious gamble to me, his impact could be huge either way; great or terrible for the team.

If we're looking to trade for a wr, if what's been rumored about R. Williams is true I think he'd be a good pickup.

Anyone know the salaries/cap implications of these guys?

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

It sounds like there's more to CJ's behavior than just a passion for winning & celebrating. He's been gradually acting more selfish. The first publicity I remember of it was when the host bengals lost to the evenutal SB champ steelers in 05-06. At halftime of that game it was reported that he threw a tantrum & had to be restrained.

Since then it seems the sideline arguments & overall complaining have increased. He's nowhere near the problem child TO is, but his behavior, as noted by JLC, has alienated teamates. It's too easy to say all the bengals are to blame. Sure, they've had a lot of problem players as far as off field stuff goes, but none of them appears as selfish on the field.

I'm not a fan of ego centric WR, either....i am a Monk type guy...anyways...it could be that he is embarrased and "type cast" in the locker room and wants a fresh start....I think this guy is young. Egocentric guys get in a lot of trouble when they are young and make mistakes....it is possible that he may shut his mouth and do his job if he changes teams.

just because there is a TO that is full of crap, doesn't mean guys like Moss and CJ can't learn from their mistakes. I really think he needs a fresh start with a new team...I just hope it aint in the NFC east....who needs him most over here?.....you got it.....Philly.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I do not think that Chad Johnson should be lumped in with troublemakers like T.O. and Randy Moss. However, he's no Art Monk. Johnson has engaged in excessive celebrations on numerous occasions despite knowing that such celebrations would draw 15 yard penalties. Team players do not knowingly draw 15 yard penalties simply to get ESPN's attention. Johnson also reportedly had several temper tantrums over the past few years in which he reportedly yelled and, even swung at, members of the coaching staff. Gibbs-esque players do not yell at the coaching staff.

I also think that Johnson will likely play at a Pro Bowl level for several more years. However, I do not believe it is wise to trade high draft picks (which the Bengals would surely demand) for 30 year old wideouts who expect to be highly paid, much less highly-paid 30 year old players who also demand to be the center of attention and who have little regard for the "team concept" and even less respect for authority.

In my opinion, we would be much better served using high draft picks to gamble on younger, more respectful, and less-demanding (both in terms of attention and money) draftees. Chad Johnson is certainly a star, but he's also got a trail of baggage that I would prefer to do without.

[BleedBurgundy]

I think CJ is a good wideout, but his performance kind of fell off this year, didn't it? SGG is right, better to draft the next Chad Johnson, not the current one who's going to command top dollar...

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I think CJ is a good wideout, but his performance kind of fell off this year, didn't it? SGG is right, better to draft the next Chad Johnson, not the current one who's going to command top dollar...

Easier said then done. Finding a quality rookie wideout is almost as hard as drafting a good QB.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Easier said then done. Finding a quality rookie wideout is almost as hard as drafting a good QB.

First round WRs are usually 50/50 gambles, but, then again, free agent wideouts aren't exactly sure-things. Brandon Lloyd anyone? Moreover, the upside and risk on lower 1st round draftees is far and away better than that of FA wideouts.