No indictment in the mike brown case

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by donofriose

So you think it is OK for police to choke someone that is unarmed to death for resisting arrest?

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...............where did I ever say that ,so you are saying if he did exactly what he was told he still be dead ,right ?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Also, is anyone still sure that Brown had his hands up when he was shot? Or could the whole "hands up, don't shoot" thing have been a lie?

My official stance on Mike Brown

The Ferguson police department is on par with racist, corrupt deparments in the deep south of the 50s and 60s. They have a history of harrassment, racial profiling, racism and overt aggression towards minorities.

The prosecutor is biased with a history of not prosecuting any wrong doings of the police department and looking the other way letting the police department do what they want. He's an enabler and most likely a racist as well.

Most certainly Fergonson should have been a special prosecutor brought in for Browns case. This was the pivotal mistake. The Attorny General for the state should be ashamed.

Michael Brown did attack the police officer imo. Was the level of violence he recieved for that attack justified? God only knows, my guess with 10 shots fired, probably not. I think multiple witnesses lied about the hands up dont shoot.

Because of the history of racism and corruptness within the Fergeson PD, I cant believe the officer's story. He does have a history before Browns with multiple problems of harrassment and aggression with the community.

I dont think this was properly vetted and he should at least had an indictment brought against him.

With the NY incident, thats just murder point blank. A cop murdered someone on the streets of New York with his hands. The medical examiner agrees and marked homicide with a cause of death. Look at the video. The cop is way over aggressive and choked him to death. There can be no arguement the other way.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

My official stance on Mike Brown

The Ferguson police department is on par with racist, corrupt deparments in the deep south of the 50s and 60s. They have a history of harrassment, racial profiling, racism and overt aggression towards minorities.

The prosecutor is biased with a history of not prosecuting any wrong doings of the police department and looking the other way letting the police department do what they want. He's an enabler and most likely a racist as well.

Most certainly Fergonson should have been a special prosecutor brought in for Browns case. This was the pivotal mistake. The Attorny General for the state should be ashamed.

I agree with this 100%.

Originally Posted by Chico23231

With the NY incident, thats just murder point blank. A cop murdered someone on the streets of New York with his hands. The medical examiner agrees and marked homicide with a cause of death. Look at the video. The cop is way over aggressive and choked him to death. There can be no arguement the other way.

No idea how you can have video evidence of a cop choking out a man and not bringing an indictment on him. That place should be burned to the ground.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

My official stance on Mike Brown

The Ferguson police department is on par with racist, corrupt deparments in the deep south of the 50s and 60s. They have a history of harrassment, racial profiling, racism and overt aggression towards minorities.

The prosecutor is biased with a history of not prosecuting any wrong doings of the police department and looking the other way letting the police department do what they want. He's an enabler and most likely a racist as well.

Most certainly Fergonson should have been a special prosecutor brought in for Browns case. This was the pivotal mistake. The Attorny General for the state should be ashamed.

Michael Brown did attack the police officer imo. Was the level of violence he recieved for that attack justified? God only knows, my guess with 10 shots fired, probably not. I think multiple witnesses lied about the hands up dont shoot.

Because of the history of racism and corruptness within the Fergeson PD, I cant believe the officer's story. He does have a history before Browns with multiple problems of harrassment and aggression with the community.

I dont think this was properly vetted and he should at least had an indictment brought against him.

With the NY incident, thats just murder point blank. A cop murdered someone on the streets of New York with his hands. The medical examiner agrees and marked homicide with a cause of death. Look at the video. The cop is way over aggressive and choked him to death. There can be no arguement the other way.

The manner of death listed on a death certificate if a weapon is used by another human being is homicide. Hands are considered a weapon. If a guy dies in a shootout with cops it will be listed as homicide. A person who is executed will have homicide listed on the death certificate. "Killed in self defense" "Justifiable homicide" are not options that can be listed on a death certificate. Your options are natural causes,accidental, suicide, or homicide, pick one.

[HailGreen28]

we disagree pretty much on the brown case. on the garner case, in the video most peopke use where half the screen is blocked off, it looked to me like he didn't complain about not being able to breathe until he was on the ground face down and they didnt have an arm around his neck,. But just saw a link on a New York paper that the coroner said there were issues with the compression of his neck and chest, leading to homicide ruling. I thought they should have indicted the police anyways for negligence leaving the guy down not able to breathe but looks like now they should have indicted the officer that put on the choke hold.

[Chico23231]

Rand Paul blames Garner's death on NYC cigarette tax - CNN.com

This guy is a certified moron. The cigarette tax killed Garner?...jeez this country

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Rand Paul blames Garner's death on NYC cigarette tax - CNN.com

This guy is a certified moron. The cigarette tax killed Garner?...jeez this country

I don't agree with Paul , however NYC mayor did create an " Ill. Cig. Task Force " .....
Governor Cuomo Announces New Strike Force to Crack Down on Illegal Cigarette and Tobacco Trafficking and Sales | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo. The cop should have never used an " air choke ",banned by NYPD for a reason . R.I.P. Mr Garner .

[over the mountain]

the baltimore lighting festival of baltimore's washington monument was on tv last night and we were watching and my lady and i started talking about garner, brown etc and all the race crap she has been reading online and even from her own friends telling her to "not pull the race card" etc ..

she told me last week she and my daughter were waiting to cross the street. we live right in downtown baltimore, not alabama or iowa.

she sd this woman walked by her and said "did my money pay for that purse or did yours?". she was carrying a large coach purse i got her for christmas 3 years ago. a guy joined the lady and he sd something about taxes and welfare. my lady stood in disbelief and didnt say anything.

i dont understand this push from neo-conservatives and tea party people thinking there is an actual race war going on in america and how they need to take up arms against "the war against christmas" or "the war against traditional marriage" .....


why would a complete strange feel like they could talk down unsolicited to a 35 year mother doing nothing but dressed respectable and waiting to cross the street with the cutest 2 year old genetics could make?

in 2014 in the holiday season in baltimore city . .. . wtf.

edit -

read these unprovoked racist comments from tea party and neo-cons re a basketball game .... and they wonder why most of america thinks theyre racist lol ... i actually agree w glenn beck on many points but man, conservatives are mostly racist driven policies imo

College Basketball Player Won’t Win Any Sportsmanship Trophies After This Last-Second Stunt | Video | TheBlaze.com

[Hog1]

Charles Barkley responds to Kenny Smith’s open letter on Ferguson | For The Win

Interesting from Charles......

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Charles Barkley responds to Kenny Smith’s open letter on Ferguson | For The Win

Interesting from Charles......

...............he has very valid points .

[NC_Skins]

Ferguson prosecutor: Some witnesses lied, including woman who didn’t see shooting

Some shady shit. I think the Feds need to roll in there and take over this investigation. Definitely think the prosecutor needs to be investigated as well in this case. Can't believe they allowed that kind of shit to serve as a witness. She should be prosecuted for perjury at the very least. Fuck that cunt.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Ferguson prosecutor: Some witnesses lied, including woman who didn’t see shooting

Some shady shit. I think the Feds need to roll in there and take over this investigation. Definitely think the prosecutor needs to be investigated as well in this case. Can't believe they allowed that kind of shit to serve as a witness. She should be prosecuted for perjury at the very least. Fuck that cunt.

They need to prosecute ALL the witnesses that lied. Those that lied for the prosecution, and for the defense. Fuck ALL those cunts.

Thousands of pages of documents, made public, turn up several examples of testimony with little to no credibility. Witness 22, whose testimony was at first damaging to Officer Wilson, admitted she lied when pressed by investigators. Eventually telling the grand jury, quote: “I just felt like I want to be part of something…I didn’t see what I told the FBI…”

Testimony from witness 35 might have helped lead to an indictment of Officer Wilson, testifying that Michael Brown was, quote, “on his knees,” when shot in the head, by Wilson. However, it wasn’t true. The witness admits to making that story up. In one exchange, the prosecutor asked: “Are you telling us the only thing that’s true about all of your statements before this, is that you saw that police officer shoot him at-point blank range?” The answer: “Yes.”

It happened on both sides. Witness 40 supported Wilson’s version of what happened, but prosecutors revealed she posted a racist comment on-line on the day of the shooting, that read, quote: “They need to kill the ‘expletive,’ ‘expletive.’ It’s like an ape fest.” When questioned about what she allegedly saw, she admitted to having gathered some details from news reports.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Ferguson prosecutor: Some witnesses lied, including woman who didn’t see shooting

Some shady shit. I think the Feds need to roll in there and take over this investigation. Definitely think the prosecutor needs to be investigated as well in this case. Can't believe they allowed that kind of shit to serve as a witness. She should be prosecuted for perjury at the very least. Fuck that cunt.

No surprise here. This prosecutor is a racist asshole as well, been saying this since day one.

Special prosecutor should had been brought in, can't believe the state attorney General let this happen.

Major process problems within our judicial system, often overlooked

[Ruhskins]

The two articles I posted are just a quick sample. I'm sure you can find actual statistics about how certain groups end up getting shot and killed by police more often than others. Here is a quick one that I found:

Exactly How Often Do Police Shoot Unarmed Black Men? | Mother Jones

I'm sure there are white men that could end up getting killed in a similar situation. But the way that the police acts towards people color is a concern, especially in the not so well known cases when a person gets shot without committing a crime. There are also many incidents of people of color from middle class and up who often face the same treatment.

Garner and Brown are the just the tip of the iceberg; and probably not the best cases to become the symbol of this issue.

The problem with this country is that people like to immediately go to the extremes and refuse to come to the middle for a discussion. Yes there are many problems with crime in many predominately black/brown communities (I grew up in one of them). No, this issue is not just about racism from the part of white people. But a lot of people are easily trying to dismiss the notion that black and brown people are treated different in many situations, including in cases very different from Brown and Garner.

As a person of color, I WISH we didn't have this issue in this country. I wish that the Brown and Garner case were isolated incidents. But I have witnessed through my own experience and that of friends of color that we tend to be treated differently.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The two articles I posted are just a quick sample. I'm sure you can find actual statistics about how certain groups end up getting shot and killed by police more often than others. Here is a quick one that I found:

Exactly How Often Do Police Shoot Unarmed Black Men? | Mother Jones

I'm sure there are white men that could end up getting killed in a similar situation. But the way that the police acts towards people color is a concern, especially in the not so well known cases when a person gets shot without committing a crime. There are also many incidents of people of color from middle class and up who often face the same treatment.

Garner and Brown are the just the tip of the iceberg; and probably not the best cases to become the symbol of this issue.

The problem with this country is that people like to immediately go to the extremes and refuse to come to the middle for a discussion. Yes there are many problems with crime in many predominately black/brown communities (I grew up in one of them). No, this issue is not just about racism from the part of white people. But a lot of people are easily trying to dismiss the notion that black and brown people are treated different in many situations, including in cases very different from Brown and Garner.

As a person of color, I WISH we didn't have this issue in this country. I wish that the Brown and Garner case were isolated incidents. But I have witnessed through my own experience and that of friends of color that we tend to be treated differently.

Even by police oficers of color , politicians of color and government officials of color ? The stats you posted are interesting ,I would like to see the same break down using the minority crime on crime stat ,ie. Black on Black,Asian on Asian , White on White .