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Re: Simply put, FEMA sucks!!
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: VA
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Some people have commented that every administration engages in cronyism, and that's great, but that doesn't make it right or absolve them from blame when it blows up in their face. |
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: chesapeake, va
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Re: Simply put, FEMA sucks!!
Again its not FFEMA's job to evacuate the city. Bush spoke to the mayoer and the governer. THey both knew that the city needed to be evacuated. By the time FEMA or Bush would have known that alot of people where not evacuating it would have been to late. Millions did evacuate remember the long line of trafic where people waited for up to 10 hours to get out of town and they and the gas stations where all running out of gas. If they knew to evacuate why didn't everyone know to evacuate? Or did they and they just refused to leave? I posted back some that they found a poll a year or two old and about 75% of the people in Olins said they would not evacuate. To top it all off they voted the mayor back into office and he screwed most of the stuff up. Goverment is the worse thing to rely on. I had to get a permit to build a garage. I started back on 05/11/06 and finaly got the permit today.
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Re: Simply put, FEMA sucks!!
I think first off - it's about not having a leader to take responsibility. All of the leaders in this case were thinking about themselves; they didn't care enough to say: "what's done is done, I'll take responsibility for all of this- what's important now is trying to resolve all of this." No one stepped up.
And second - there are the abuses in these cases that should lead to criminal charges. The sad part of all of this was: there was an entire nation of people willing to donate their time, money, and energy to help - but what leadership did was: blame others and abuse the powers and resources given to them. And of course bush didn't cause all of this - but I can compare this to a good samaritan or just a passive bystander (doing nothing) when someone needs help. Did bush need to help ? no. Should he have tried to do more in this case and take some more responsibility on, to help in this situation ? I say yes. |
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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Re: Simply put, FEMA sucks!!
TG -
No where does anything out there say that FEMA is responsible for preemptive preparedness; Everything refers to response. ie, after something has happened, not before.
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Join Date: Jun 2004
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Re: Simply put, FEMA sucks!!
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FEMA became part of the Emergency Preparedness and Response Directorate of DHS, and employs more than 2,600 full time employees. and if you go to fema's website, they have a very large "plan ahead" section, with articles like "how to prepare for a hurricane", including evacutation info (http://www.fema.gov/plan/prepare/evacuation.shtm). but apparently everyone missed that. |
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FEMA looks at what *might* happen, then reacts to it when it *does* happen. It does not act on what might happen. That is the local authorities job. It has been since day one.
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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If FEMA's job was to babysit everyone and make sure they're ready for any possible disasters that might happen someday, they'd need a branch office in EVERY town in the nation. Could you imagine how much money that would waste? Their job is to help after disasters occur. It's the responsibility of each local government to prepare for emergencies. Think of FEMA as an ambulance. You can't blame an ambulance driver for not arriving in time for a heart attack victim when the person who died sat around drinking beer and eating cheese-in-a-can on everything. They're an emergency response agency, not a babysitter. |
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Join Date: Jun 2004
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yeah, except that analogy is about 99% wrong for the actual situation that occured :P they do preparation and they did land people in NO before the storm hit, but the logistics were fscked, so the ground crews could only sit and wait when they should have been up and running. Hurricanes usually come with some warning, and FEMA does try to land people beforehand. That would mean that your "heart attack" was pre-scheduled and the ambulance was already sitting in the driveway at the time, but the driver forget his first aid kit and lost his car keys. And I don't see anyone mention babysitting outside of you just now. |
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Join Date: Jun 2004
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and yes, I do think someone should have tried harder to convince the locals or the people that an evacuation was necessary instead of staring at an oncoming train and throwing their hands up. It would have been in everyone's best economic interests. |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Re: Simply put, FEMA sucks!!
for the sake of arguement, femas job is to react to any and all diasters within the united states. well , then what the hell took so long to get to those people? it took w almost a full week to make an appearance in new orleans, and look whats going on with the funding. this is a case of gross mis management starting at the top the whole way to the bottom. everyone, including one george w bush shares the blame. how mayor nagens got re elected is beyond belief. but then again, one marion berry also won after smoking crack. so as the saying goes, only in america
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Join Date: Jun 2004
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Re: Simply put, FEMA sucks!!
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Like I mentioned in the previous post, saying (multiple) times that I blamed the entire thing on bush (when I only actually blamed him for putting an idiot in charge) is another example of you putting words in my mouth and exaggerating claims. I did also say I think he could have done more, but that would also take extremely large assumptions to think I laid all the blame at his feet. Especially when I had already mentioned that the mayor, governor, and mr brown were partly responsible (so how could it all possibly be pinned on Bush?) Assuming I'm a democrat cause I dared to say anything bad about Mr. GW. (not that I care, but while we're doing this retardedd exercise, it's another point). Quote:
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then you and cpayne went on to insist FEMA does NO PREPAREATION WORK AT ALL, which i've shown is completely untrue and has been for at least 3 years now (and in case someone is wondering, check wikipedia or fema's website for proof). I did misspeak when I said FEMA should have taken over the evacuation, but you could of pointed that out without being a j*ck*ss about it. But if you want to say I have no clue, that's fine I guess, but since you didn't understand FEMA's actual role either, that means you're in the same boat (stones, glass house; pot, kettle, black; etc). |
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