Trent Williams holding out for new deal

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Players aren't doctors. The onus is on the teams medical and coaching staffs to take care of their players health 1st and foremost. To me rushing a broken leg is brutal and completely unacceptable.

So true, and so ridiculous that people have to be made aware of it. Lol.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So we are not putting any responsibility on Colt on wanting to come back too soon? We know how players lie in concussion exams to get back on the field. I just see Colt and Trent's situation completely different.

Also, if the medical team was so terrible, shouldn't Alex Smith or other injured players be disgruntled with the team? Also, as I've said before, wouldn't the NFLPA be already involved?

I just feel that a lot of people seem misinformed about the medical issues. Everyone keeps bringing up Guice and him having an infection, yet he talked with JP Findlay and said that they did a preventive treatment to avoid an infection.

To me the more frustrating part from the team about the medical stuff is the lack of communication (which JP Findlay said in his podcast today).

Every situation is different. But in Colt's case it seems from the outside the Redskins are idiots. Colt's going to try and play. Period. If you remember when he broke his leg I believe he actually stayed in the game for a play or two. It is dumb as dumb gets to try and rush a player back on the field for some bogus playoff run when the QB's fibula is broken. Inexcusable. There wasn't an adult in the room to shut down the nonsense.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I don't see Colt out there bitchin about the training staff or the doctor's or anything else. Hes a competitor. He wanted to come back. Perhaps it was too soon but that's what competitors do. It happens all the time in the NFL with players coming back just a little bit too early from injuries. It's unfortunate, but I don't see his situation and Trent's situation even remotely similar. Hell, unless I missed something we don't even really know what the heck happened in Trent situation. He hasn't said a damn word. Perhaps it's a blessing in disguise anyway. This has given more opportunity for Haskins, which is exactly what he needs.

[mooby]

https://twitter.com/hogshaven/status...398493184?s=21

Cooley is almost positive T.Will is not coming back. I agree skinsfaninok, it sucks to see a guy who at his current rate will be a HOFer totally turn on the team in the span of an offseason (reportedly because he thinks they didn't take a lump seriously when he also didn't take it seriously) but I'm focused on the positives here. If we trade him, due to his position and his status in the NFL we are likely to get a good return on him. He's also entering his 30's and has had a hard time staying healthy these last few years.

As compared to Doctson, another first rounder who seems likely to get dumped in roster cuts and who we won't see any compensation for after the fact. Thank you for your service T.Will, and if somehow Bruce manages to turn this pot of shit into a pot of gold that's a feather in his cap, which would bring his ratio of feathers-to-dog turds to about 5-50.

[AnonEmouse]

Looking at the rumour mill and team needs, I see 3 scenarios:

1) They up the ante on contract talks and he re-signs. Unlikely given his stance on the FO and medical staff, but money does talk.
I'd also consider firing the heads of the medical and training staff; a) they don't seem that effective anyway and b) because they are far easier to replace than a HOF LT!
2) Talks are going on with teams under the radar and we're waiting out an improved offer. Pats offer a #1, but that's too little, so we wait on them upping the ante (unlikely given Belichik's history, but...), Texans offered Cloweny but he's not enough of a need and contract an issue (so maybe they throw in a pick?), Phins offer a #1 which is tempting but not quite enough. Someone makes a better offer within the next 2 weeks and we take it.
3) Team cuts off its nose to spite its face and TW holds out all season then they are forced to trade him with only 1y on his deal remaining.

Regardless of what they have said to date, they have to consider a trade if they can't get him back around the table on contract talks.

If they don't sort this out soon it's going to be a mess of a season and likely Gruden is gone by end by December (may not be a bad thing). To me, regardless of how it makes the FO look, they now have to trade TW to avoid a repeat of the Bell situation and a blown season. Getting a #1 pick or better now is far better than the Bell scenario in my view.

[CRedskinsRule]

I think if any team had offered a 1 TW would have been traded by now. Best we are getting is a 2 and late rounder

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[5superbowls3wins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think if any team had offered a 1 TW would have been traded by now. Best we are getting is a 2 and late rounder

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I think someone will offer a 1 if we wait. A LT of Trent’s caliber is VERY hard to find. Almost as hard as a franchise QB.


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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 5superbowls3wins

I think someone will offer a 1 if we wait. A LT of Trent’s caliber is VERY hard to find. Almost as hard as a franchise QB.


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Maybe but his injury history would be concerning to most teams even if our staff are the screwups of the league.

I would not be surprised if BA is so convinced he should get a 1 for TW that he is going to let other real good offers walk.

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[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think if any team had offered a 1 TW would have been traded by now. Best we are getting is a 2 and late rounder

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All it takes is a LT going down on a contender. We have all the incentive to wait. Give it another 3 weeks and I bet at least one team will lose their starting LT.

[KI Skins Fan]

Please stop blaming the medical and training staffs. All of this starts at the top of the organization where the tone is set. The problem is that Mr. Burns and Smithers don't care about other people.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Please stop blaming the medical and training staffs. All of this starts at the top of the organization where the tone is set. The problem is that Mr. Burns and Smithers don't care about other people.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The reason Dan keeps Bruce around is because Dan is calling more shots than folks are aware of. Bruce is a lackey for Dan and Dan knows anyone who comes in, will only come in if Dan is separated from all football decisions.

That’s the mountain we’ve faced the last 20 years

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The reason Dan keeps Bruce around is because Dan is calling more shots than folks are aware of. Bruce is a lackey for Dan and Dan knows anyone who comes in, will only come in if Dan is separated from all football decisions.



That’s the mountain we’ve faced the last 20 years

That sounds more like Vinny. Im convinced it is because of some other warped idea Dan has about him. Enjoys his company on the yacht bullshit. If Dan is really a fuckin fan he would get a damned football guy in there at the helm. But he aint. He is an egotistical lil bitch who likes power more than the b and g. Eff him and the yacht he rode in on. Ahh that felt good.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by punch it in

That sounds more like Vinny. Im convinced it is because of some other warped idea Dan has about him. Enjoys his company on the yacht bullshit. If Dan is really a fuckin fan he would get a damned football guy in there at the helm. But he aint. He is an egotistical lil bitch who likes power more than the b and g. Eff him and the yacht he rode in on. Ahh that felt good.

Vinny was on Sheehan's podcast not too long ago. One thing that really stood out was he said that Dan's never wrong. In other words, if Dan made a decision on a player and it blew up in their faces ( Fat Albert) it was never his fault.

Snyder has become so insulated over the years. I often wonder w/ all the money and power he has if he's ever really happy, hiding out on his mega yacht.

I think inside of Redskin Park there are good football people, like Kyle Smith. But at least on the football side of things, Snyder is always going to have a say who the QB is going to be aka Haskins. Let's just hope it works out. It's really one of the few things that's keeping me going with this franchise.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Please stop blaming the medical and training staffs. All of this starts at the top of the organization where the tone is set. The problem is that Mr. Burns and Smithers don't care about other people.

They cared enough about Trent Williams to be loyal to him and, despite multiple injuries and back to back suspensions, make him the highest paid offensive lineman in the league 3 years ago.

They care enough about Trent Williams to, for a change, remain mostly silent, instead of leaking reports to make him look bad like they have consistently done during Bruce Allen’s tenure.

Snyder and Bruce have been uncharacteristically smart and loyal to Trent Williams. It’s a shame he refuses to return that loyalty and blame the medical staff for his own negligence. They told him to get a second opinion. He didn’t listen.

At this point, I’m done with Trent Williams. He can try to pretend he’s taking some moral stand, but ultimately he’s placed blame at the wrong place when he should be looking in the mirror. I appreciate all he’s done for this team, but If this is how he wants to repay the team that’s been so good to him, then I want him gone.

And for what it’s worth, i want Bruce Allen gone too. While i think he’s handling this situation well, the majority of the time, HE is the problem.


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