Trayvon Martin Case

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

I think it is reasonable to say Trayvon feared for his life when Z approached him.

What testimony are you basing that statement on?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

What testimony are you basing that statement on?

Jeantel testified that as he neared the home of his father's girlfriend, Martin tried to lose Zimmerman.

"And then he said, 'That N-word is still following me now,'" said Jeantel. "I asked him how the man looked like. He just told me the man looked 'creepy.' 'Creepy, white' -- excuse my language -- 'cracker. Creepy [expletive] cracker."
Jeantel says she heard Martin talking to Zimmerman in the background of the call.
"He said, 'Why are you following me for?' And I heard a hard-breathing man say, 'What you doing around here?'" said Jeantel.
Jeantel also said she heard a bump from Martin's headset hitting something and "wet grass sounds."
"I start hearing a little bit of Trayvon saying, 'Get off, get off!'" said Jeantel.

Key witness recounts Trayvon Martin's final phone call - CNN.com



I dont know if that supports martin being afraid for his life but certainly being afraid. a guy is following you, creepy is how i would feel as well as scared.

[over the mountain]

to anyone arguing that zimmerman should be found completely innocent - watch his reenactment video.

joe has been hammering a point and it is a good one = the jury will have to base their verdict on the admissible evidence before them. so far most legal pundits think the defense is winning. i think man 1 or 2 is in play.

a reckless disregard for life but not enough to say it was willful or intentional.

[Gary84Clark]

The "Stand Your Ground" law allows the use of deadly force as long as the defendant can prove the following factors:
Are not engaged in an unlawful activity.
Are being attacked in a place you have a right to be.
Reasonably believe that your life and safety is in danger as a result of an overt act or perceived threat committed by someone else toward you.



These same statements apply to Martin. Making his murder an unlawful act.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

The "Stand Your Ground" law allows the use of deadly force as long as the defendant can prove the following factors:
Are not engaged in an unlawful activity.
Are being attacked in a place you have a right to be.
Reasonably believe that your life and safety is in danger as a result of an overt act or perceived threat committed by someone else toward you.



These same statements apply to Martin. Making his murder an unlawful act.

See, now you're just being obtuse and stupid. Confess, you're really Goat.

[Gary84Clark]

Trayvon Martin's DNA was not found on the grip of George Zimmerman's gun, and Zimmerman's DNA was not found under the unarmed teen's fingernails, a law enforcement expert said Wednesday in testimony that prosecutors hope will refute the neighborhood watch volunteer's self-defense claim.

[Gary84Clark]

They called Gorgone on the same day they presented evidence that they say shows Zimmerman had aspirations of becoming a police officer and knew about Florida's "stand-your-ground" law. The law says a person has no duty to retreat and can invoke self-defense in killing someone if it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.

Zimmerman had maintained in an interview with Fox News last year that he did not know about the law.

[JoeRedskin]

And on cross exam, the DNA expert indicated that (1) b/c it had been raining, that could affect the ability to collect DNA and (2) he could neither identify nor exclude the existence of Martin's DNA in the specific areas identified; and (3) he did not collect the DNA and could not verify how it was specifically collected.

Big difference from asserting that Martin's DNA could be conclusively excluded. Cross did what a good cross does, exposed the flaws in the methodology and conclusiveness.

[JoeRedskin]

By the way ... Who's paying my retainer?

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

By the way ... Who's paying my retainer?

Ill make a $49 donation to the site in your name if you can predict the verdict correctly. I guess you just have to make your prediction before the jury gets back after closing statements.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Ill make a $49 donation to the site in your name if you can predict the verdict correctly. I guess you just have to make your prediction before the jury gets back after closing statements.

That's just tough - so many variables. If it's a jury of Chico's or OTM's, he is likley to be found guilty of manslaughter. If it's a jury of G84C's, 2nd degree. If it's a jury of me's, likely to be innocent.

I am going to say not guilty on the 2nd degree and manslaughter. A jury of women will be sympathetic to the death of a child, but not so much so as to outweigh their need for solid proof before condemning another man to prison.

My degree of confidence in this prediction is pretty low. Zimmerman is no saint and we have a dead kid. It's just a tragedy that could have been avoided by both.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

My degree of confidence in this prediction is pretty low. Zimmerman is no saint and we have a dead kid. It's just a tragedy that could have been avoided by both.

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Over zealous curtain-twitcher meets mouthy teenager.

I stick with my original assertion.

Horrible set of circumstances.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

That's just tough - so many variables. If it's a jury of Chico's or OTM's, he is likley to be found guilty of manslaughter. If it's a jury of G84C's, 2nd degree. If it's a jury of me's, likely to be innocent.

I am going to say not guilty on the 2nd degree and manslaughter. A jury of women will be sympathetic to the death of a child, but not so much so as to outweigh their need for solid proof before condemning another man to prison.

My degree of confidence in this prediction is pretty low. Zimmerman is no saint and we have a dead kid. It's just a tragedy that could have been avoided by both.

Unfortunately we are still without robot juries.

Feel free to change you prediction prior to any decisions are known/made.

[FRPLG]

mic drop...

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

... I have some standards, damn it!

Really? Since when?