Hankerson/Golston Placed on IR; Darrion Scott and Stallworth Re-Signed

[skinster]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Rebuilding the Redskins and rebuilding the Capitals is not an apples to apples comparison. Two different animals altogether

Disagree. I might be overlooking something big though (and it being a different sport isn't overlooked), what do you see that makes this apples to oranges?

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by skinster

Disagree. I might be overlooking something big though (and it being a different sport isn't overlooked), what do you see that makes this apples to oranges?

Size and rabidity of the fanbase, value of the franchise, spotlight on the sport as a whole...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinster

Disagree. I might be overlooking something big though (and it being a different sport isn't overlooked), what do you see that makes this apples to oranges?

People don't care in general about the NHL as much as the NFL. People in DC especially don't care about the Capitals as much as the Redskins. You can afford to be a bit more methodical if you're running the Capitals. But it's a point I've made that Snyder had to (and I believe has) stop acting like the fans he's been all of his life and act like an owner who basically says "F U you moronic fans. This is how things are going to be done. So you can bitch and moan all you want that our 7th round rookie OL got burned on a sack in his second career start. But I'm not going to make wholesale changes because you're so effing impatient."

The Caps made as high stakes a move as the Redskins have ever made in signing Jaromir Jagr to, I believe, the biggest contract in NHL history. And he was a colossal failure. But does anyone talk about that? No, yet even when the Redskins were making playoff runs in 05 and 07 fans couldn't let go of 5 to 10 year old FA moves.

There's also no farm system in the NFL. Redskins can't draft Kevin Barnes and let him play several games a year against other professionals in Hershey, PA for a few years before calling him up.

I know Leonsis, I like Leonsis. I think he's done a great job in turning the Caps around (though they still fail tremendously come playoff time). But I just don't think it's so simple as to say what works for the Caps works for the Redskins.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

People don't care in general about the NHL as much as the NFL. People in DC especially don't care about the Capitals as much as the Redskins. You can afford to be a bit more methodical if you're running the Capitals. But it's a point I've made that Snyder had to (and I believe has) stop acting like the fans he's been all of his life and act like an owner who basically says "F U you moronic fans. This is how things are going to be done. So you can bitch and moan all you want that our 7th round rookie OL got burned on a sack in his second career start. But I'm not going to make wholesale changes because you're so effing impatient."

Strange example, who would ever bitch about that on this forum? Absurd SS, expectations are that any skins rookie forced into the lineup must play to a probowl level.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

People don't care in general about the NHL as much as the NFL. People in DC especially don't care about the Capitals as much as the Redskins. You can afford to be a bit more methodical if you're running the Capitals. But it's a point I've made that Snyder had to (and I believe has) stop acting like the fans he's been all of his life and act like an owner who basically says "F U you moronic fans. This is how things are going to be done. So you can bitch and moan all you want that our 7th round rookie OL got burned on a sack in his second career start. But I'm not going to make wholesale changes because you're so effing impatient."

The Caps made as high stakes a move as the Redskins have ever made in signing Jaromir Jagr to, I believe, the biggest contract in NHL history. And he was a colossal failure. But does anyone talk about that? No, yet even when the Redskins were making playoff runs in 05 and 07 fans couldn't let go of 5 to 10 year old FA moves.

There's also no farm system in the NFL. Redskins can't draft Kevin Barnes and let him play several games a year against other professionals in Hershey, PA for a few years before calling him up.

I know Leonsis, I like Leonsis. I think he's done a great job in turning the Caps around (though they still fail tremendously come playoff time). But I just don't think it's so simple as to say what works for the Caps works for the Redskins.

I can see alot of what your saying, and don't necessarily agree. What I see is apples to apples is not concerned with the fans, but with building a winning team. I think leonsis thought more about that than anything, and I think the formula is the same. The draft, getting younger, and hiring the right personnel to scout and rebuild your team. I think that's how you become a good team. The more picks you have, the more chance you have at gaining quality players, the higher the picks you have, the more chance you have at getting the players you desire. I think that its basic statistics, and although there might be some differences, I think the essence of building a non-competitive hockey/football team into a competitive one is apples to apples.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinster

I can see alot of what your saying, and don't necessarily agree. What I see is apples to apples is not concerned with the fans, but with building a winning team. I think leonsis thought more about that than anything, and I think the formula is the same. The draft, getting younger, and hiring the right personnel to scout and rebuild your team. I think that's how you become a good team. The more picks you have, the more chance you have at gaining quality players, the higher the picks you have, the more chance you have at getting the players you desire. I think that its basic statistics, and although there might be some differences, I think the essence of building a non-competitive hockey/football team into a competitive one is apples to apples.

Agree with much of what you're saying. I think how you present it to the fans we agree is different. And the level of patience you can afford with players, in large part due to no farm system in the NFL, is different between the two sports. Still, as much as I like Leonsis it is funny how he made some colossal mistakes but hasn't been accounted for them. All I want for the Caps is for them to finally perform in the playoffs

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Rebuilding the Redskins and rebuilding the Capitals is not an apples to apples comparison. Two different animals altogether

That's true. Hockey is a sport where one guy can have a huge effect and you get a long time to look at prospects, and there are other things too. Still, keeping your picks and not making transactions with FAs and trades is something that can apply to both sports.

I think we're like Oakland in 2009. Awful quarterback and a not too many good players elsewhere. We will need to make next year's draft count.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Rebuilding the Redskins and rebuilding the Capitals is not an apples to apples comparison. Two different animals altogether

Yeah the Caps have a concrete plan in place to be a winner because they have to win to make $$$$$$$$, while Snyder and co just go with the wind. THe Caps have to win to keep the seats filled. Snyder has his team followed by a bunch of us masochists that come back for his BS every year, fill the stands, etc. I have a much better shot at marrying a Victoria's Secret model than the Skins have of making the playoffs in the next decade. And by the way, I don't buy that he was a big fan stuff. That is his cover for acting like a fool, while in reality he doesn't really give a damn about winning. The guy isn't a fool, he knows he can jerk us around and make a gazillion dollars no matter what. He vyes for most lucrative sports franchise on the planet with his bud Jerry Jones every year in Forbes, and he keeps the profits growing. All he has to do is keep new, fresh faces coming in every 2-3 years to get the mob to think " Yeah, this is it!!"SB here we come!!!!!!! Yeah, we finally had a decent draft, the best draft since we got Champ, but now our stud T is oft injured and might be suspended for failing a drug test. Oh goody!!!!! Brown is going to be oft injured as well, akin to Tre Johnson at the end of his stint with us. Our secondary sucks, our best LB has only 3 years left tops, and our only hope is that we draft the right rookie QB. Even that doesn't quarantee us anything.

[mooby]

What the f man. Damnit! How are you supposed to see what your young players got if they can't get on the field. That sucks hard, but oh well. Let's hope he doesn't pull a Landry and decide not to get surgery on it if it would probably be better if he did get surgery on it. Either way, I hope he works his ass off so he can keep learning and getting better next year.

[SBXVII]

Lol, OMG, just when there was any semblance of positivity being able to watch a rookie WR stepping up and learning to play in the NFL...... He gets a season ending injury.

Soooo who does the team bring in? Put on the PS? Do they move the other rookie up from the PS? Harrumph.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Lol, OMG, just when there was any semblance of positivity being able to watch a rookie WR stepping up and learning to play in the NFL...... He gets a season ending injury.

Soooo who does the team bring in? Put on the PS? Do they move the other rookie up from the PS? Harrumph.

Here you have the core of the Redskins' endemic problem.

They started the season with 9 guys on the roster/practice squad who were WRs. Now they are out signing guys off the couch (Anderson) to plug in. If the 9 guys they had on the roster/practice squad were not satisfactory, they why were they there and why did the "talent search" not begin earlier?

As I recall, the Redskins brought in a cavalcade of running backs last year toward the end of the season and none of them were particularly impressive - - as should be expected when they have been out of the league for the majority of a season. So, why is a guy that no one has wanted for half a year better than what you have on the roster/practice squad? Is not not an indictment of the folks who built the roster/practice squad?

BTW, Terrell Owens remains unsigned. He is a pain in the ass of astronomical proportions - - but even on a recentl;y rehabbed knee, he is probably better than anyone on the roster now. Please do not let that tempt the Skins' braintrust into contacting him...

[Brody81]

Can you say cursed!! Finally we get a rookie wr who shows he might breakout and what happens...season ending injury. Can it get any worse?

[SBXVII]

Please don't tell me Stallworth will be resigned.

[NC_Skins]

I guess this is karma for us enjoying all those injuries to the Giants squad.

[mbedner3420]

What worries me is, initially it looked like he would fall down early to avoid a hit... What do you think he is going to do now that he has been injured? I'm worried he is going to be playing scared next year...