Where does D. Hall rate as a CB for the Redskins all time?

[SBXVII]

This really warrented it's own thread? I thought it was discussed at length in the other thread. Wasn't the conclusion from the other thread that anyone is better then D.Hall? I was pretty sure someone said something like they would have prefered to have kept Rogers and let Hall go. lol.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

This really warrented it's own thread? I thought it was discussed at length in the other thread. Wasn't the conclusion from the other thread that anyone is better then D.Hall? I was pretty sure someone said something like they would have prefered to have kept Rogers and let Hall go. lol.

Unfortunately this topic will come up as long as there are people that don't like Hall as a person and b*tch about him every single possible time and those that get all geeked up about his picks and call him the best ever. As I said, here in the Warpath opinions tend to go to the extreme.

[skinsfan69]

As a cover corner he's way down the list. As a playmaker he's right up at the top of the list. Hall is a great playmaking corner, no one can question that. The guy has great hands and could probably be a damn good wr. But his main job is to COVER, which he simply can not do very well. I'm not sure why cause he has the skills to do it but for what ever reason he doesn't. He couldn't even cover Danny Amendola. And don't get me started on his tackling skills. He's still trying to find his jock when Jake Delhomme made him look silly.

[SirClintonPortis]

Hall hasn't surpassed Shawn Springs yet.

[That Guy]

springs is a true #1 and was great for us until he started missing games.

[jamf]

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I think DHall is tremendously overrated.
He is a gambler and is exceptional at reading plays but no one can tell me that they would want him to shadow a #1 WR all game.
When was the last time he shadowed a solid WR and took him out of the game?
He hasn't done it in a skins uniform so no freaking way he is on my list.
Springs had some battles with TO one on one and won a few of them. He was the last guy we had that could shadow a WR leave him on an island.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by jamf

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Bailey
Jimoh
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I think DHall is tremendously overrated.
He is a gambler and is exceptional at reading plays but no one can tell me that they would want him to shadow a #1 WR all game.
When was the last time he shadowed a solid WR and took him out of the game?
He hasn't done it in a skins uniform so no freaking way he is on my list.
Springs had some battles with TO one on one and won a few of them. He was the last guy we had that could shadow a WR leave him on an island.

Well considering we don't have a lot of man coverage's in Haslett's new defense I would say Hall hasn't done a lot of Man coverage over the year. I would say that Hall excels in our new defensive scheme. I'm also excited about Wilson and I think between the two of them. We will have a lot of turnovers this year.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Well considering we don't have a lot of man coverage's in Haslett's new defense I would say Hall hasn't done a lot of Man coverage over the year. I would say that Hall excels in our new defensive scheme.

There's a great deal of Man coverage in Haslett's scheme. I agree with you, to get the most out of Hall, he is better in Man coverage.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

There's a great deal of Man coverage in Haslett's scheme. I agree with you, to get the most out of Hall, he is better in Man coverage.

I wonder if Haslett will call man coverage a lot during the first couple of games, since the starting secondary hasn't had any playing/practice time together. I think he should.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I wonder if Haslett will call man coverage a lot during the first couple of games, since the starting secondary hasn't had any playing/practice time together. I think he should.

Agree 100%. Coverage has to be simplified early on until LL & OJA in particular are settled in.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Well considering we don't have a lot of man coverage's in Haslett's new defense I would say Hall hasn't done a lot of Man coverage over the year. I would say that Hall excels in our new defensive scheme. I'm also excited about Wilson and I think between the two of them. We will have a lot of turnovers this year.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

There's a great deal of Man coverage in Haslett's scheme. I agree with you, to get the most out of Hall, he is better in Man coverage.

I LOL at both of these. Guess what the Raiders play a lot of? You guessed it. Man coverage. Guess who got burned so badly and so often that he was also ranked one of the worst CBs in the league during his 8 games with the Raiders? Hall? Bingo.
Routt Says Raiders Play Almost All Man to Man Coverage » Raiders Gab



Most Hall fanboys say he didn't excel in man coverage and was best suited for zone (which he plays now) which is why he did bad in Oakland. Now that he's doing bad here, it's switched to the opposite that he's better at man, but we play a lot of zone.

For a team to trade a 2nd rounder for a CB and give him a 7yr/70million contract and dump him after 8 games, it sure says a lot about D. Hall. Not only that, but HE CLEARED WAIVERS. How many #1 CBs clear waivers?...lol

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Most Hall fanboys say he didn't excel in man coverage and was best suited for zone (which he plays now) which is why he did bad in Oakland. Now that he's doing bad here, it's switched to the opposite that he's better at man, but we play a lot of zone.

For a team to trade a 2nd rounder for a CB and give him a 7yr/70million contract and dump him after 8 games, it sure says a lot about D. Hall. Not only that, but HE CLEARED WAIVERS. How many #1 CBs clear waivers?...lol

Take a look at my other posts in the this thread.

Just to clarify my point, Haslett's scheme uses a variety of coverage (as any good scheme should). I expect at least 50% man coverage from the CBs. I believe Hall is best used in Man coverage because he makes more mistakes in Zone. In Man he has a simple responsibility, cover your man, no reads, no additional responsibility. What I think of Hall's Man coverage capability is another story, but if I have to "pick my poison", I put Hall in Man.

In Hall's defense, it was Al Davis who certainly doesn't personify "sound judgement" that was behind his release. And from a quick read, his release probably had a lot more to do with his contract/bonus for 2009 than his play in early 2008.

What gives? Oakland Raiders cut highly paid corner DeAngelo Hall - ESPN

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

In Hall's defense, it was Al Davis who certainly doesn't personify "sound judgement" that was behind his release. And from a quick read, his release probably had a lot more to do with his contract/bonus for 2009 than his play in early 2008.

What gives? Oakland Raiders cut highly paid corner DeAngelo Hall - ESPN

THey had just signed that contract 8 months prior and now he's going to just up and cut the guy he traded a 2nd rounder and gave a new deal? Not hardly. This is the same guy that gave Asandi a record contract.


Raiders cut losses with Hall | Sky Sports | NFL | News

But he failed to adapt to the Raiders' man-to-man style of defense and was regularly beaten by opposition receivers during the opening half of the season.

And, with the Raiders struggling at 2-6, the decision was made to dispense with Hall's services.

"We felt like it didn't work out the way we thought it would," Raiders head coach Tom Cable said in a statement.

It had nothing to do with his bonus. Again, he's not good a man to man either so not sure where you guys are even getting that notion from.

[SmootSmack]

Surprised to see a lot of Dishman mentions, he was great in Houston but barely a shell if that here. By the same token...no mention of Vernon Dean?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Surprised to see a lot of Dishman mentions, he was great in Houston but barely a shell if that here. By the same token...no mention of Vernon Dean?

Or Martin Mayhew who was solid and left via FA.