Our Current status at the WR position

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah but that is absolutely not the fault of Moss. Moss had a great season, but you know what you got in Moss, a solid number 2 or slot reciever. Kyle and Shanny tryed multiple recievers with multiple sets. Santana easily picked up the offense and excelled in his role. Could other guys on the team stepped into and preformed his role, obviously not. Kelly on the bench and shown zero since he has been here. Santana helps this team much more than hurts. Do we need a number 1? Absolutely all day. But to say we need to replace Santana with someone else as well? I think first year in this offense and how he picked it up, plus he has put up solid number in really multiple bad offenses. He NEVER has drama and has been for the most part injury free. Yes to this offense needs a number 1 who is a red zone reciever and general playmaker...I wouldnt put that on Moss, I think he has earned an extention. If extending Moss for some reason denotes our offense as going in a bad direction, that sh*t is on Kyle then, not Moss.

I don't think Moss is solid, I think he's shaky. Productive over a long season, but inconsistently so, and you can't put him in the slot receiver 145 target/season role and possibly expect to have a good passing offense. Too many chances on an inconsistent player, and it defines your offense as inconsistent.

I think when we get close to the goal line, Moss is our best route runner. I think thats where his value still lies. In the rest of the field, there's just not enough attention to detail to be effective.

For the record, I would take Santana Moss on my team 100/100 times over a guy like Brandon Marshall, a headcase who does everything worse than Moss. That doesn't mean I think Moss is good enough to take us where we want to go. He's fine for where we are...but again, his contract is expiring.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Let me put it this way: Moss is not a weakness for where we are as a team. He's a weakness for wherever we want to go with our passing game.

We clearly changed his role this year to a receiver that leads the league in targets in the passing offense. That essentially means we can only be as successful as the player in that role is at his craft. And Moss was...a little bit better than say, our defense, this year.

Trying someone else in the same role might lead to more struggles and a greater weakness at the receiver position, but could easily lead to a far more efficient offense.

Imo our team has too many holes and we have limited resources draft picks and FA to try and upgrade a player/position where we got top 10 production.

Add a returning Malcolm Kelly and a developing Austin i think our WRs corps is one area that we can leave alone while we fix other areas.

Letting Tana walk is digging an hole to fill a hole.

Imo the struggles in our passing game are less b/c of Tana then of misuse of personnel, QB play and coaching/gameplanning/playcalling.


o Joey Galloway slowed/stunted the development of several players
Joey Galloway and Tana often ran in breaking routes that require physicality like slants and digs and square ins

o Fred Davis imo was woefully underused he was the most efficient pass catcher on the team yet was barely on the field more then our ineffective 3rd WRs and also received fewer targets then our 3rd WRs and our most of RBs and FB.

o our QB and OC couldn't get on the same page which limited the passing offense

o very limited use of the screen game

o lack of creativity (we couldn't get Tana/Banks the ball in space?)

I think our passing game has enough talent to be competitive especially if Kelly, Austin and Banks can be worked into the offense.
(imagine what the Pats would do w/ a player like Banks?)

[skinsfan57]

Malcolm Kelly had his chance.he sucks! keep the others and add a FA or draft someone in the latter rounds.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Imo our team has too many holes and we have limited resources draft picks and FA to try and upgrade a player/position where we got top 10 production.

Add a returning Malcolm Kelly and a developing Austin i think our WRs corps is one area that we can leave alone while we fix other areas.

Letting Tana walk is digging an hole to fill a hole.

Imo the struggles in our passing game are less b/c of Tana then of misuse of personnel, QB play and coaching/gameplanning/playcalling.


o Joey Galloway slowed/stunted the development of several players
Joey Galloway and Tana often ran in breaking routes that require physicality like slants and digs and square ins

o Fred Davis imo was woefully underused he was the most efficient pass catcher on the team yet was barely on the field more then our ineffective 3rd WRs and also received fewer targets then our 3rd WRs and our most of RBs and FB.

o our QB and OC couldn't get on the same page which limited the passing offense

o very limited use of the screen game

o lack of creativity (we couldn't get Tana/Banks the ball in space?)

I think our passing game has enough talent to be competitive especially if Kelly, Austin and Banks can be worked into the offense.
(imagine what the Pats would do w/ a player like Banks?)

I don't disagree with any of your reasons for the passing game struggles, I'm just talking about the struggles of the offense isolated to plays when Moss gets the ball, i.e. about 1/4 of our entire passing offense. Moving Moss isn't going to affect the other 3/4 of our passes, and we have plenty of work to do in those aspects.

I think Moss was a nice system fit this year, I just happen to feel that he did about as well as he could have given his skill set. Letting Moss walk isn't really creating a new hole because an upgrade is already a need, but more directly, he's not under contract for next season. Put in perspective, we could let Moss walk and sign James Jones (GB) and place him in the same role, and we'd more or less have the same strengths and weaknesses with a younger player. Not advocating Jones here or that you'd throw a guy like Jones 145 balls in a season...but of course we shouldn't do the same with Moss again.

I think Moss will get picked up fairly quickly when he hits the market because he's still a very good route runner and he's good around the goal line and he's tough to tackle in space and that's all very valuable receiver stuff. I just don't think it makes much sense for the Redskins to bring him back. I don't see a contract extension to be filling any sort of hole in our offense, instead it just holds the status quo.

I would not scramble frantically to replace Santana Moss' role in the offense, I think it opens up more natural looks for guys like Davis.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Malcolm Kelly can replace Santana Moss and would like to see Kelly come out of the slot like Marques Colston does with the Saints.

Moss can still be somewhat productive if he's resigned, but people are going WAY out of their way to make Moss seem more productive than he was this year. He had a number of very good games but was the lifeblood target of a passing offense that had no life. We sure could have done worse but we NEEDED to do better in his role. That's the mentality we need to take in to offseason.

There are a number of worse options than Moss out there, but this passing game needs to get better. I'd let him walk.

LOL... Good one.

[Skins4L]

Current Status: We need another WR.

Moss needs a new deal.
Santana still has a couple decent years as a roleplayer, he still can play at a high level.
He had a decent year actually. McNabb underfire all year still being semi consistent and then stepping up as Grossman came in as well.

Theres gotta be someone in FA thats a bargain who can make some plays .

We need at least 2 big FA pickups and a huge draft this year.

[MTK]

A WR that finished 3rd overall in catches and 10th in yardage, was only slightly better than our 31st ranked D? I know it's hard to compare one guy to an entire unit, but I'm still struggling to make sense of that logic.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

A WR that finished 3rd overall in catches and 10th in yardage, was only slightly better than our 31st ranked D? I know it's hard to compare one guy to an entire unit, but I'm still struggling to make sense of that logic.

You said it yourself: 3rd in catches, 10th in yardage.

Better than say, 3rd in catches, 20th in yardage.

Worse than 3rd in catches, 6th in yardage.

I don't want to just throw out a yards per target figure, because it's apples and oranges. Moss used to be let loose deep more frequently, and used to average around 9 ish yards per target. This year, he was around seven and a half. That's predominantly a change in role.

It's also not very good. Percy Harvin got 8 YPT this year in pretty much the same role. Lance Moore got about 8.1 YPT. Mike Thomas was in the same range. Ditto Anquan Boldin. I'm stretching the definition of a similar receiver, but Moss did a new role and did not do it all that well. And we didn't move the ball as an offense and score consistently.

So we took away some of Santana Moss' deep running because this role is more important for the offense. He's doing the role...well, I think we can agree he didn't do great. I also realize you can't replace him with Terrence Austin and get the same production, but I'm not suggesting that we just go and do that.

[SkinzWin]

Walterfootball has AJ Green going #1 overall now.

[SBXVII]

In any event we need to upgrade. Either through FA or draft or both.

[DCtoAZ]

i understand the concerns regarding Moss and I agree that he is very shaky at times and def fumbles/drops passes quite a bit. However as a #2 going down the road I LOVE the idea of having Moss around for years to come ... this guy would go bananas against lesser DB's ... think about it .. if say we had a Reggie Wayne (FA) or made a run at Vincent Jackson .. that would open the door for Moss, give AA a chance to shine not to mention defense's still have to figure out how to stop Cooley/Davis ... KEEP SANTANA !

[Bucket]

I think our WR core is the best it's been in years. We need to keep/bring back what we had this year for next year.

If anything. I would move Fred Davis to a more WR role.

[JLee9718]

Fix the offensive line first, then get a wr.