F...people who tell you how to parent

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I didnt take offense to what MRREDSKINS said to me, i didnt want anybody to get that impression from me.

And for the above, i think it's a combination of both for the family that lives on our road. It seems that they had some sort of discipline for the child at some point, but when the parents got religion, it seemed they backed way off. So yes, I think its parenting that is primarily to blame.

We have resolution. Most are trying the time out thing, and resorting to spanking only as a last resort. You go out to town and it's just too clear that there is no discipline whatsoever. And as far as most of the kids have gotten, you know that verbal discipline isn't going to work anymore. A true no win situation.

you don't believe me? just take a good look at the grocery store or walmart sometime...the only reason kids act up like that is because they know they can get away with it, and most of the time, they do it deliberatley.

I agree with the other posters who said their dads or moms gave them plenty of warning before resorting to a spanking...thats how it was for me as well...

First I need to change my screen name, so many people get it wrong.

Second I think you are letting a few bad experiences/apples jaded your view that every kid in America is a brat with no discipline. In the 50's did every kid walk around like a mute dummy? I find that hard to believe, I am pretty sure what challenges face us today with raising small children faced the same folks back then and I don't think every child in the 50's was hit either. It is not like "not hitting your kids" is some new wave method of raising kids.

YOU HAVE STILL YET OT SAY IF YOU HAVE KIDS OR NOT.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Sooooo, for those people who let their child scream and go apeshit in a public place to the dismay of everyone around shouldn't be told what to do about their kids?

I just ask because my coworker and I have that discussion often and his rebuttal is always: "Well, you don't have kids."

It's true, I don't have kids but I have ears and if your kids are affecting my environment, then you need to remove them and I won't hesitate to tell you to do so. He tells me that if I had any idea what it's like to have a screaming child on my hands then I would change my tune. I DEFINITELY disagree. If you have a screaming baby or child in a restaurant, you need to remove it from the situation until the screaming has stopped.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Sooooo, for those people who let their child scream and go apeshit in a public place to the dismay of everyone around shouldn't be told what to do about their kids?

I just ask because my coworker and I have that discussion often and his rebuttal is always: "Well, you don't have kids."

It's true, I don't have kids but I have ears and if your kids are affecting my environment, then you need to remove them and I won't hesitate to tell you to do so. He tells me that if I had any idea what it's like to have a screaming child on my hands then I would change my tune. I DEFINITELY disagree. If you have a screaming baby or child in a restaurant, you need to remove it from the situation until the screaming has stopped.

Generally, I agreee with this statement. I would say, however, I am not going to wisk my kid away at the first scream. We will attempt to calm him/her down and, if it is clearly not working, we will take the child out.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Sooooo, for those people who let their child scream and go apeshit in a public place to the dismay of everyone around shouldn't be told what to do about their kids?

I just ask because my coworker and I have that discussion often and his rebuttal is always: "Well, you don't have kids."

It's true, I don't have kids but I have ears and if your kids are affecting my environment, then you need to remove them and I won't hesitate to tell you to do so. He tells me that if I had any idea what it's like to have a screaming child on my hands then I would change my tune. I DEFINITELY disagree. If you have a screaming baby or child in a restaurant, you need to remove it from the situation until the screaming has stopped.

Got to agree with this, I believe I would be embarrassed to the point that I would remove them immediately.

Also, what's the deal with people flying their newborns around on airplanes? The pressure in their ears has to hurt like hell and then people wonder why they're crying.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Absolutely.

I mean definitely give it a shot, but so many times, they just scream and the parent is like, "Shhh, quiet down now." and just let them go INSAAAANE.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Absolutely.

I mean definitely give it a shot, but so many times, they just scream and the parent is like, "Shhh, quiet down now." and just let them go INSAAAANE.

I think as being a non-parent your tolerance is low but I do agree if they are going complete ape shit time to pull them out and discipline outside.

I am new parent for the most part, only two years but I can remember going to my buddies house and thinking his kids were crazy but after having my son I can tolerate their behavior much more, though I still think they need some more discipline.

I think when you are a non-parent you view small children as little people that should act like big people. Their minds are developing just like their bodies they are not fully grown yet. This doesn't give them a licenses to go crazy but does require some understanding on your part. At times children will be children.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Absolutely.

I mean definitely give it a shot, but so many times, they just scream and the parent is like, "Shhh, quiet down now." and just let them go INSAAAANE.

It all goes back to consistent discipline (whatever it may be). Kids are not idiots. They know what they can get away with and who they can play. Yes. sometimes they just lose it b/c they are kids. In those times, hopefully, you can remove them from the situation and regain some control. But that ain't gonna happen unless you have already laid a groundwork.

(I have seen how some parents "discipline" their kids. They misbehave - parents threaten to leave the playdate/make them take a timeout/take away a toy/etc., chile misbehaves again, no consequences just another warning, etc., etc. Until finally, the parent goes ballistic, yells at the child, takes away privileges etc. No rhyme or reason as to why it was done on after 7th warning as opposed to after the first).

[SolidSnake84]

I applaud you, and anyone else, who finds a consistent method that works for them...i mean that honestly.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I applaud you, and anyone else, who finds a consistent method that works for them...i mean that honestly.

Hey man thanks for the PM, very classy. When you first got here I dropped you in my mind as a Jsanro and for that I was wrong. You are a class act.

I think in the future you may want to better think out some of your post and it may save you 12 more post trying to explain yourself. I certainly can take that advice myself!

[SolidSnake84]

I wonder the same thing about why people bring newborns and babies into the movie theaters. I can only imagine that its from not having any babysitter. My cousin used to work at Carmike Cinemas in Winchester, and she told me one time that these people brought a 2 year old to see Friday the 13th....wtf??

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I wonder the same thing about why people bring newborns and babies into the movie theaters. I can only imagine that its from not having any babysitter. My cousin used to work at Carmike Cinemas in Winchester, and she told me one time that these people brought a 2 year old to see Friday the 13th....wtf??

I was about ready to post that too! Saw a 4 year old girl at Friday 13th she sat in my row it was uncomfortable having there. I can imagine how well she slept the next few days. Iremeebr as a child seeing a clip A CLIP of the Exorcist and could not sleep for weeks.

Ok, forget this spanking kids we need to start spanking bad parents or putting them in time outs.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I wonder the same thing about why people bring newborns and babies into the movie theaters. I can only imagine that its from not having any babysitter. My cousin used to work at Carmike Cinemas in Winchester, and she told me one time that these people brought a 2 year old to see Friday the 13th....wtf??

My kid is 2 and I still know he doesn't have the attention span for a movie in the theater. He's a VERY well-behaved boy...but I know a little kid's limits. A movie theater is no place for a small child, you'll only waste your money by leaving early or disturb everyone else by staying. I haven't seen a movie in the theater since he was born and don't mind. I knew ahead of time my priorities in life were going to have to change. It's not about me anymore.

I wish more people would realize this and take responsibility when they become parents, whether it was planned or not. Once a child is created inside the mother, your life is no longer about yourself, it's about protecting and raising that life you created. So if you can't go to movies, or shopping or amusement parks for a few years...tough, you're a parent now. If people would stop being so selfish and taking small children to places where it isn't appropriate for lengths of time beyond their tiny attention spans, we'd all have less screaming kids in public to deal with. It's not the kids' faults most of the time. You can't expect them to be able to go around town and into places where silence is required and behave like an adult with manners. Sure, kids should learn to behave to an extent in public, but if you're testing their boundaries and abilities to restrain themselves for so long, any kid can act up from boredom or fatigue. We took our son to NY in a car from PA...we learned his limit...about half an hour from Long Island. For the first 4 hours in the car, he was perfect...but there's a point. My butt was sore too.

Some people should get some parenting lessons, but I won't speak up, that's their lesson to learn.

[mlmdub130]

jamf,
thank you that was good, i love the containing baby, and the car seat one the best

tmc,
couldn't agree with you more, we have the same mindset as far as annoying ass kids and public places


as far as the spanking a child, if i have said it once i have said it 100 times, somtimes what a kid really needs is a good spanking, you can say all you want about it but the bottom line is kids nowadays are flat out terrible. granted there are some kids out there that are respectful, but they are few and far between anymore, kids get away wioth so much more shit everyday. imo it goes with the whole "pussification" of our society, when i was a kid the team that lost didn't get a trophy and we kept score because in real life there are winners and losers, i don't have kids and won't have kids, so my views are more than a little jaded

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

jamf,
thank you that was good, i love the containing baby, and the car seat one the best

tmc,
couldn't agree with you more, we have the same mindset as far as annoying ass kids and public places


as far as the spanking a child, if i have said it once i have said it 100 times, somtimes what a kid really needs is a good spanking, you can say all you want about it but the bottom line is kids nowadays are flat out terrible. granted there are some kids out there that are respectful, but they are few and far between anymore, kids get away wioth so much more shit everyday. imo it goes with the whole "pussification" of our society, when i was a kid the team that lost didn't get a trophy and we kept score because in real life there are winners and losers, i don't have kids and won't have kids, so my views are more than a little jaded

And for that we are grateful.

Seriously some of you sound like the old guy on SNL that walked in the snow uphill both ways to school everyday.

Guess what you can hate on kids and old people all you want but at some point in your life you will be both of them just hope you don't run into in one with your beliefs.

[dmek25]

the one thing i have learned about parenting is... you can be the "best" parent in the land, and once the kid is old enough, the decisions are his/ hers. you can guide them, and teach them right from wrong. but they do have a mind of their own. and once they reach a certain age, its all them