The Redskins Are Close

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

It seemed like yesterday we were enduring the August sun and training camp predictions. Anything and everything about Brian Orakapo, Marko Mitchell, or Marcus Mason was newsworthy and commanded our attention. Now two games into the regular season and we're sharply focused on a Redskin team like a couple of know it all interns bickering over how to treat a patient who just got wheeled into the emergency room. While the situation may require medical assistance, what's ailing the patient is not life threatening. Not even close.

I asked myself if I were the fan of another team, who happens to catch all the Redskins games live, what would be my honest assessment of this team and where do I see them going. Because grading something -anything- is difficult when you're so emotionally invested in the outcome. So I'm taking a step back. Where's that damn Paintrain thread when you need it!

I really don't want to rehash the team's epic failures in the red zone, because it's been well documented here and elsewhere. In fact, it's been talked about over and over and over again. I don't think there's one person breathing today that will put more pressure on Jim Zorn this week than Jim Zorn. We saw the offense open up from week one to week two. Coach Zorn just needs to take the next step, and I believe he will.

Besides coach Jim Zorn the other Redskin causing angst among the faithful is Jason Campbell. Right now Campbell is ranked 15th in the NFL in passing. Let me throw a few names out there for perspective. Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, and Aaron Rodgers, who by the way, has been sacked 10 times already, all rank below Campbell statistically. For all the critcism he's been receiving, some warranted some not, you would think he's chucking the ball in the air like Jake Delhomme. So let's be a little honest here, Campbell has been solid and probably a little more given the dropped passes he's had at critical moments thus far. I'm not a Jason Campbell apologist, but I sometimes wonder if the tables were turned and Campbell wore another uniform how many trade threads would be requesting for him to come play for Washington so that Zorn can "coach him up."

This team just needs to keep on winning until they find the easy button. If winning ugly is the formula for now, I'll take it. I'd much rather be going into week three bitching and moaning about Zorn than going into week six or seven bitching about Zorn. There's no way Moss will continue to be ineffective that much longer. Especially with the way Cooley and Kelly have started. I think Sellers and Thomas catch those balls next time. And honestly, I don't think losing Randy Thomas will be that big of a deal. He hasn't played a ton of downs over the past few years anyway, and when he has he wasn't exactly dominant, so I don't see any major disruption along the offensive line regardless of who they plug in to replace Thomas.

All of that being said, the Redskins will handle their business in Detroit. I'm not calling for a close game either. The Redskins are 7-2 in indoor facilities in the last six years, including 2004 and 2008 wins over the Lions at Ford Field. The defensive line found another gear last week and should only get better as the season wears on. And I think --hope --Zorn opens up the offense inside the twenty. I won't predict a final score, but I think the Skins by 17 points is doable. From there, I think they finish the season with six losses.

Here's to a big, big win in the Motor City this weekend!

Post of the year. Bravo.

[skinsguy]

I think a lot is riding upon this game. I want to say that at some point in our Redskins history, immediate history, something has to eventually give. Either the franchise realizes that there are fundamental problems that go deeper than the players themselves that is preventing the team from being an elite team once more, or, realize that they have the talent and the smarts, they just need to go out and do their job. I still think we're close, but close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades!

I want to know for sure if this version of the team is going to be the team we have been waiting for all this time, or is it just going to be a reincarnation of Norv Turner's earlier Redskins teams.

[Mechanix544]

My sig says it all.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

My sig says it all.

Hail to the Redskins, HAIL VICTORY!!!!!

MARK MOSELEY RULES!!!!!!

Can you honestly say that when u look at Campbell, you could envision him leading a team to and winning the Super Bowl?? And isn't that what its supposed to be all about?

I agree with 1 of 3 statements listed in your signature.

So by looks we'll be able to tell whether we can envision a QB leading a team to the Super Bowl?

...By looks alone I'd say Peyton Manning probably be better served leading a Special Olympics team than an NFL one but I guess looks can be deceiving

...and have absolutely no bearing on performance.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I agree with 1 of 3 statements listed in your signature.

So by looks we'll be able to tell whether we can envision a QB leading a team to the Super Bowl?

...By looks alone I'd say Peyton Manning probably be better served leading a Special Olympics team than an NFL one but I guess looks can be deceiving

...and have absolutely no bearing on performance.

I'm ashamed to say I found this funny.....but I did.

Just like Lotus, I can easily see JC taking us to the Super Bowl.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

My sig says it all.

I can honestly say that I can envision Campbell taking us to the Super Bowl.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I can honestly say that I can envision Campbell taking us to the Super Bowl.

Me too.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Buster

Post of the year. Bravo.

It's a damn good one, I'll say that!

[htownskinfan]

when i got in the car today after work I had the radio on the sirius nfl channel and they were talking about the skins game.They of course would not be surprised if the lions won.Then they said since JC has been the starter weve averaged 18 points a game,which ranks 26th in the nfl.I asked this in another thread and I'll ask again here,if thats not JC's fault,whose is it? Can JC bring us a superbowl,of course he can,if we have a defense that doesnt let teams score over 10 points a game.
To me there just seems to be some intagibles that JC doesnt have.I cannot ever remember him throwing a succesful fade route in the endzone to anybody,I dont even remember any attempts,why?
When was the last time you saw him run with the ball and do a slide? and I mean a good slide,not head first.I can remember a few oh shit I better get down funky looking slides that looked bad and the form was terrible.These 2 things dont make him a bad qb,but they are just some of the intagibles I see that bother me.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

when i got in the car today after work I had the radio on the sirius nfl channel and they were talking about the skins game.They of course would not be surprised if the lions won.Then they said since JC has been the starter weve averaged 18 points a game,which ranks 26th in the nfl.I asked this in another thread and I'll ask again here,if thats not JC's fault,whose is it? Can JC bring us a superbowl,of course he can,if we have a defense that doesnt let teams score over 10 points a game.
To me there just seems to be some intagibles that JC doesnt have.I cannot ever remember him throwing a succesful fade route in the endzone to anybody,I dont even remember any attempts,why?
When was the last time you saw him run with the ball and do a slide? and I mean a good slide,not head first.I can remember a few oh shit I better get down funky looking slides that looked bad and the form was terrible.These 2 things dont make him a bad qb,but they are just some of the intagibles I see that bother me.

Trent Dilfer sucked as a QB and he got a SB ring based on having a great DF, he's now on ESPN talking as if he know's something. JC is way better than Dilfer so beleive me the SB rings coming.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Trent Dilfer sucked as a QB and he got a SB ring based on having a great DF, he's now on ESPN talking as if he know's something. JC is way better than Dilfer so beleive me the SB rings coming.

what did i say in my post?here it is:

Can JC bring us a superbowl,of course he can,if we have a defense that doesnt let teams score over 10 points a game.

but Im not holding my breath on that sb

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Trent Dilfer sucked as a QB and he got a SB ring based on having a great DF, he's now on ESPN talking as if he know's something. JC is way better than Dilfer so beleive me the SB rings coming.

I agree that Campbell can be Trent Dilfer. I have doubts that our D can be the Ravens of 2001, which is considered one of the best Defenses of all time. Dilfer went on to become a back-up the rest of his career, as did Brad Johnson. Campbell is in danger of being a back-up on someone else's roster next year. Happens all the time.

[#56fanatic]

I just saw someone put what I was going to say about Dilfer...if he can get a team there, then anyone can..hell they didn't score an offensive touchdown for an entire month. Look, Campbell is doing what Zorn is asking. He is NOT taking shots down the field (in my opinion) because he doesn't want to risk turning the ball over, so he'll check down to the shorter receiver. I guess the option we have is, do we want a guy that isn't going to throw the ball down field into double coverage just for a possible completion or more like a pick (Jake Delhoume, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre) or someone that is going to see its not there, check down and try another shot later in the game? There is a lot of risk reward with throwing deep, and yes he has missed a couple of throws, but I think once he gets confidence in Kelly and Thomas we'll see a lot more deep balls over the season, then the offense will be one of the best in the league.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just saw someone put what I was going to say about Dilfer...if he can get a team there, then anyone can..hell they didn't score an offensive touchdown for an entire month. Look, Campbell is doing what Zorn is asking. He is NOT taking shots down the field (in my opinion) because he doesn't want to risk turning the ball over, so he'll check down to the shorter receiver. I guess the option we have is, do we want a guy that isn't going to throw the ball down field into double coverage just for a possible completion or more like a pick (Jake Delhoume, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre) or someone that is going to see its not there, check down and try another shot later in the game? There is a lot of risk reward with throwing deep, and yes he has missed a couple of throws, but I think once he gets confidence in Kelly and Thomas we'll see a lot more deep balls over the season, then the offense will be one of the best in the league.

If what you are saying is true, then maybe its something to get excited about. I think alot of the cures for this team is just to simply score more. Thats what the fans want to see. Give em something to cheer about. But until they prove that they can, until they put up more than 20 points in a game, until alot of things happen, I am ready to just sit here and be slightly pessimistic and expect the worse.

The fans want to see points, plain and simple.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just saw someone put what I was going to say about Dilfer...if he can get a team there, then anyone can..hell they didn't score an offensive touchdown for an entire month. Look, Campbell is doing what Zorn is asking. He is NOT taking shots down the field (in my opinion) because he doesn't want to risk turning the ball over, so he'll check down to the shorter receiver. I guess the option we have is, do we want a guy that isn't going to throw the ball down field into double coverage just for a possible completion or more like a pick (Jake Delhoume, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre) or someone that is going to see its not there, check down and try another shot later in the game? There is a lot of risk reward with throwing deep, and yes he has missed a couple of throws, but I think once he gets confidence in Kelly and Thomas we'll see a lot more deep balls over the season, then the offense will be one of the best in the league.

I think you're right.