Zorn Makes Great Progress with New Offense Geared To Campbells Talents

[T.O.Killa]

Dont forget, I started this pro Campbell thread.

[T.O.Killa]

I was listening to Phil Simms on Washington Post live. He sad that he thought that Jim Zorn has changed his offense to suit JC needs. He also said that he said we could be a very good team.

[skinsnut]

The West Coast system is essentially throwing for 3 yards instead of running for 3...all that other crap is irrelevant...such as throwing bombs...that is all part of any system.
It's just how deep passes are done.

The odd part is we have Portis, so technically, there is no real reason to run a west coast system here since we have the abiility to run for 3 consistantly...and when you have that ability, you can run play action effectively...which is typically rare in WC systems....because, WC passes for short yardage and don't run.

If we can do both, we will be in very good shape, but, as someone else has mentioned, there is no real substantial change in our offense other than more experience...unless a rookie wideout suddenly becomes highly productive.

This offense will have to prove it for me to believe we can open it up.
I was impressed in a few deep balls in the last couple preseason games...but those are no risk games. Lets wait and see what Zorn calls in live games.

Also, I saw VERY LITTLE misdirection in the offense in preseason, very few screens...which match our very quick WRs, no reverses. No motion, pitches were rare, no shovel passes. The problem last year was a predictable offense. If you cant throw deep effectively, you still have all these tools to use to keep a defense off of Portis. Zorn didn't use them, and he certainly didn't practice this offseason.
If you don't practice something, you cannot execute it.

So my fear is this....our offense will be very basic again with no creativity.
It will essentially come down to execution.
Misdirection covers a multitude of execution deficiencies.
Zorn hasn't figured that out yet.

Will he have Campbell throw deep?
He better...it is the only hope to get some freedom for Portis because Zorn aint gunna do anything creative on offense

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

The West Coast system is essentially throwing for 3 yards instead of running for 3...all that other crap is irrelevant...such as throwing bombs...that is all part of any system.
It's just how deep passes are done.

The odd part is we have Portis, so technically, there is no real reason to run a west coast system here since we have the abiility to run for 3 consistantly...and when you have that ability, you can run play action effectively...which is typically rare in WC systems....because, WC passes for short yardage and don't run.

If we can do both, we will be in very good shape, but, as someone else has mentioned, there is no real substantial change in our offense other than more experience...unless a rookie wideout suddenly becomes highly productive.

This offense will have to prove it for me to believe we can open it up.
I was impressed in a few deep balls in the last couple preseason games...but those are no risk games. Lets wait and see what Zorn calls in live games.

Also, I saw VERY LITTLE misdirection in the offense in preseason, very few screens...which match our very quick WRs, no reverses. No motion, pitches were rare, no shovel passes. The problem last year was a predictable offense. If you cant throw deep effectively, you still have all these tools to use to keep a defense off of Portis. Zorn didn't use them, and he certainly didn't practice this offseason.
If you don't practice something, you cannot execute it.

So my fear is this....our offense will be very basic again with no creativity.
It will essentially come down to execution.
Misdirection covers a multitude of execution deficiencies.
Zorn hasn't figured that out yet.

Will he have Campbell throw deep?
He better...it is the only hope to get some freedom for Portis because Zorn aint gunna do anything creative on offense

Your concerns about misdirection may be well-founded.

Then again, you are not going to show your tricks in open practices or preseason games. We might see plenty of misdirection starting Sunday.

[CRedskinsRule]

skinsnut, you are gonna be surprised tomorrow, I promise you that. Last year Zorn focused on implementing the basics, that is pretty common practice for teaching. He has to trust everyone is on the same page. This year will be different, he said as much over and over. I suppose they could prove me wrong, but I think the players and coaches know what we don't. I think Zorn and the offense will be very creative, and just cause we didn't see it in preseason, doesn't mean they didn't practice it. Now I am not calling for a Saunderesque playbook, but he will be very aggressive.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

skinsnut, you are gonna be surprised tomorrow, I promise you that. Last year Zorn focused on implementing the basics, that is pretty common practice for teaching. He has to trust everyone is on the same page. This year will be different, he said as much over and over. I suppose they could prove me wrong, but I think the players and coaches know what we don't. I think Zorn and the offense will be very creative, and just cause we didn't see it in preseason, doesn't mean they didn't practice it. Now I am not calling for a Saunderesque playbook, but he will be very aggressive.

Stillllll Waiting.......

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Stillllll Waiting.......

I was wrong.

wait till this week! LOL

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I was wrong.

wait till this week! LOL

Dude I hope, I wanted you to be right. F the F-ing Giants...Hopefully Ole Danny Boy after drinking burbon all game, in his pissed off misery went down to Zorn after the game and said "open up the playbook to passing section and lets go!"

[insideman]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I was wrong.

wait till this week! LOL

Like you I will keep waiting. But don't expect to seemuch as the season goes on. Zorn has nothing to show because he has nothing to show in terms of playing. People wants to still jabe out at the oline. I line did farely well but the front office could have poassibily changed that during the draft.

I know we all can be arm chair critics but you know i have seen on the forms there are some good ideas coming from others that I trully feel would help zorn and not hurt him. But we know they would listen but if they would Zorn would find some way in his piss poor game calling to mess even those ideas up.

As far as Zorn being a leader I personnily don't believe he could lead a group of cub scouts into a ice cream store giving away free ice cream.

[CRedskinsRule]

do we ever see ARE run an option in pre season? I doubt it. In fact the iggles showed lots of stuff with Vick, and all that meant is they weren't "getting into a rhythm" and gelling on the basics. I doubt the Patriots or Colts ran many trick plays either. Pre-season is for getting out there knocking the rust off and coming together as a unit. The trick plays or special plays will come, I am sure of that. (Hopefully not a TE reverse at the 50 though)

[Njall]

Moss and Randel El got to go their time is up. Scrap the Offense and buid it up around a new QB. Skin's go 8-8 again this year. Even if we had River's or Payton Manning they will achive nothing with these 2 number 3 receivers .

[Trample the Elderly]

Show me!

[Njall]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I am so glad that Zorn has tailored the offense to Campbell's talents. I thought that Joe Gibbs made a huge mistake hiring Saunders, because Campbell's talents were best suited to Joe Gibbs vertical style of offense. He is a deep ball passer like Mark Rypien. The west coast offense was never suited to his talents. I think that if they go with this down field vertical passing game there is hope for Campbell staying in Washington and taking us to the promise land. With the emergence of Mitchell, Kelly and Thomas, along with Moss, we should be a big play powerhouse.

Does Campbell have talents? Compared to who ?

Skin's in the past had running and passing threats but running is the best for the strategy in the NFC East just look at NY Giants. Jay Schroeder was a deep ball passer and what did he do against the Giants defense in 86?

Also M.Rypien had Gary Clark , Monk, Sanders !



Moss and Randel El are #3's in many other teams .

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Njall

Does Campbell have talents? Compared to who ?

Skin's in the past had running and passing threats but running is the best for the strategy in the NFC East just look at NY Giants. Jay Schroeder was a deep ball passer and what did he do against the Giants defense in 86?

Also M.Rypien had Gary Clark , Monk, Sanders !



Moss and Randel El are #3's in many other teams .

Nobody moved the ball on NY in 86 ,,, NY held SF to 6 pts in 2 playoff games 85-86 seasons . Clark dropped atleast two bombs in the NFC Title game < it was very windy > or we might have won a Lombardi Trophy that year . I agree , running is what wins Championships ,,, along with DEF !!

[Njall]

Originally Posted by budw38

Nobody moved the ball on NY in 86 ,,, NY held SF to 6 pts in 2 playoff games 85-86 seasons . Clark dropped atleast two bombs in the NFC Title game < it was very windy > or we might have won a Lombardi Trophy that year . I agree , running is what wins Championships ,,, along with DEF !!

I remember that game and Giants had the a great Defense. But to win in the NFC East you need a power runner ... Smash mouth football. Cowboys in the 90's with Emmit and Giants had Morris in '86. Skins need a another Power Runner.