Please Draft ??? at #13

diehard · 04-21-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Quick, someone publicize a terrible rumor about Curry...he eats babies or something like that...then maybe he'll fall to us.

I like that. Now he's worth trading up for....

BigHairedAristocrat · 04-21-2009, 04:48 PM

Unfortunately, there's not a true DE on the list to pick from. Next to Haynesworth, a DE would have a hell of a lot more of an impact to the team than an OT or LB would.

Drafting a pure LB with our 1st pick should be out of the question as this draft is extremely deep in LBs. Theres not enough of a difference in an LB here and one we could find in the 3rd round to make the move worthwhile. Assuming we go for 2 of the 3 needs (OT/LB/DE) with our 1st and 3rd round picks, we will find a hell of alot better LB in the 3rd round than we could an OT or DE, so it makes more sense to go with one of those two positions with our first pick.

Also, of these three needs, LB is the position we are deepest at presently, and its the position we can get even deeper at simply by resigning marcus washington. If you agree that DE is our greatest need, then drafting Orakpo or Maybin would be comparitively foolish, since he'll be playing LB on 1st and 2nd downs and DE on 3rd. Which is why i'd go with Everett Brown or Robert Ayers if theyre on the board at 13. Think about it - which front 7 would you prefer:

1. Carter, Griffin, Haynesworth, Ayers
McIntosh/Thomas, Fletcher and Washington/Blades

OR

2. Carter, Griffin, Haynesworth, Wynn/Daniels
McIntosh, Fletcher, Orakpo or Maualuga

To me, the first option presents a far more dominant defense, but thats just my opinion.

If we're picking at 13, Andre Smith is the most likely OT to be there, and he's got two knocks against him: 1. Questionable character, drive, work ethic, etc. 2. He can't play LT (where as Oher has the potential to play LT and allow Samuels to move right and prolong his career). In the end, if available, I feel either Ayers or Brown would be the safest, most prudent investment to make at 13.

If it were up to me, and we had to pick a player at 13 (no trading up or down), this is how i would fill our teams 3 primary "conventional wisdom" needs:

DE - (First Round Pick) Robert Ayers, Tennessee
OT - (Third Round Pick) T.J. Lang, Eastern Michigan
LB - Resign Marcus Washington and sign the best OLB available in the 5th round.

NM Redskin · 04-21-2009, 04:50 PM

Sanchez, were getting next year Number 1 overall if he'd stayed another year at USC. That way if Campbell fails, Colt and Sanchez fight it out.

Monksdown · 04-21-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NM Redskin

Sanchez, were getting next year Number 1 overall if he'd stayed another year at USC. That way if Campbell fails, Colt and Sanchez fight it out.

If you draft a quarterback, instead of an offensive tackle in the 1st round. You pretty much seal Jason's fate anyway.

rstone1979 · 04-21-2009, 04:51 PM

ANYONE!! Please keep this pick and don't try to trade up for Sanchez. Keep our picks!!

Nflnick11 · 04-21-2009, 05:06 PM

Please get oher or orakpo if neither then trade down or get rey maualuga

vallin21 · 04-21-2009, 05:22 PM

1. If possible trade up to get Orakpo.

2. Take the best available OT. Oher, Smith or if they're both available take Smith, because his play ismuch more consistent compared to Oher's. If you watch Smith's film he is arguably the best OT in this year's class.

3. Trade down. Assuming Sanchez is there this would be the smart move, (but the Redskins would most likely pick him). Trade with the Jets, pick at 17 drating Oher, Maybin, Brown, and pick up there 2nd looking at a C/G.

Defensewins · 04-21-2009, 05:31 PM

Why is there no talk about Duke Robinson OG 6' 5" 329.
Is it because he played at the less glamorous OG position in college as opposed to the OT position? This guy can play Right OT in the NFL.
Why take the fourth best OT (Oher) who is 6'5" and 309 pounds and pass on the best OG who is bigger and played some OT in college. He started 10 games a true freshman and played well at LT.
Everywhere I look to read about Robinson they talk about this can't miss "Road Grader", big , great athlete.

Paintrain · 04-21-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Why is there no talk about Duke Robinson OG 6' 5" 329.
Is it because he played at the less glamorous OG position in college as opposed to the OT position? This guy can play Right OT in the NFL.
Why take the fourth best OT (Oher) who is 6'5" and 309 pounds and pass on the best OG who is bigger and played some OT in college. He started 10 games a true freshman and played well at LT.
Everywhere I look to read about Robinson they talk about this can't miss "Road Grader", big , great athlete.

WAY too high for him. He's looked at as a mid 2nd rounder, max. He's not a first rounder and being the #1 prospect in a weak class for OG doesn't make you worth a high draft pick.

SmootSmack · 04-21-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Why is there no talk about Duke Robinson OG 6' 5" 329.
Is it because he played at the less glamorous OG position in college as opposed to the OT position? This guy can play Right OT in the NFL.
Why take the fourth best OT (Oher) who is 6'5" and 309 pounds and pass on the best OG who is bigger and played some OT in college. He started 10 games a true freshman and played well at LT.
Everywhere I look to read about Robinson they talk about this can't miss "Road Grader", big , great athlete.

I love Duke Robinson, I think I was one of the first to mention him here. But I don't think he should be taken at 13

John Denny · 04-21-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Why is there no talk about Duke Robinson OG 6' 5" 329.
Is it because he played at the less glamorous OG position in college as opposed to the OT position? This guy can play Right OT in the NFL.
Why take the fourth best OT (Oher) who is 6'5" and 309 pounds and pass on the best OG who is bigger and played some OT in college. He started 10 games a true freshman and played well at LT.
Everywhere I look to read about Robinson they talk about this can't miss "Road Grader", big , great athlete.

Duke is a monster. He's pretty similar to Andre Smith body-wise and yet there's no first round shine on him. I think someone will draft him late in the first but we haven't heard much about him.

skinsfan69 · 04-21-2009, 05:47 PM

I want the fat kid from Alabama. Is that Smith? I know he's got some issues but he could probably step in and start at RT and we've got some vets to take him under their wing. I'm not sure why everyone is so high on Orakpo. I didn't see a ton of Texas games but the ones I did he didn't impress me at all.

AND ANYONE BUT SANCHEZ. He's not even better than party boy Leinart and he couldn't beat out John David Booty who can't beat out Tavarus Jackson.

skins89moss · 04-23-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I want the fat kid from Alabama. Is that Smith? I know he's got some issues but he could probably step in and start at RT and we've got some vets to take him under their wing. I'm not sure why everyone is so high on Orakpo. I didn't see a ton of Texas games but the ones I did he didn't impress me at all.

AND ANYONE BUT SANCHEZ. He's not even better than party boy Leinart and he couldn't beat out John David Booty who can't beat out Tavarus Jackson.

I also think if we go O-Line I like Andre Smith at RT. He is a beast in run blocking, not sure about pass protection. Not worried about his combine stunt he will learn from our vets. 2nd choice I like Rey Maualuga size and his play making ability. I know his combine numbers don't wow you but he makes plays on the field where it counts. 3rd Orakpo he can rush the passer , may take him some time to learn how to drop back into coverage as a LB.

skins89moss · 04-26-2009, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by skins89moss

I also think if we go O-Line I like Andre Smith at RT. He is a beast in run blocking, not sure about pass protection. Not worried about his combine stunt he will learn from our vets. 2nd choice I like Rey Maualuga size and his play making ability. I know his combine numbers don't wow you but he makes plays on the field where it counts. 3rd Orakpo he can rush the passer , may take him some time to learn how to drop back into coverage as a LB.

Wow Rey fell to the 2nd round to the Bengals. Well he can play with his former USC teammate Keith Rivers. I happy with Brian Orakpo the Beast.

diehard · 04-21-2009, 06:31 PM

It's seems Oher and Smith may be gone by 13 and I like Ayers better than Orakpo. Sticking with the choices, Oher.

View Poll Results: Matty Loves Mocks' Who Would You Draft at 13 Poll
Rey Maualuga	25	10.82%
Aaron Maybin	6	2.60%
Michael Oher	54	23.38%
Brian Orakpo	93	40.26%
Mark Sanchez	17	7.36%
Andre Smith	36	15.58%
Voters: 231. You may not vote on this poll

04-21-2009, 04:48 PM	#2
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: Please Draft ??? at #13 Unfortunately, there's not a true DE on the list to pick from. Next to Haynesworth, a DE would have a hell of a lot more of an impact to the team than an OT or LB would. Drafting a pure LB with our 1st pick should be out of the question as this draft is extremely deep in LBs. Theres not enough of a difference in an LB here and one we could find in the 3rd round to make the move worthwhile. Assuming we go for 2 of the 3 needs (OT/LB/DE) with our 1st and 3rd round picks, we will find a hell of alot better LB in the 3rd round than we could an OT or DE, so it makes more sense to go with one of those two positions with our first pick. Also, of these three needs, LB is the position we are deepest at presently, and its the position we can get even deeper at simply by resigning marcus washington. If you agree that DE is our greatest need, then drafting Orakpo or Maybin would be comparitively foolish, since he'll be playing LB on 1st and 2nd downs and DE on 3rd. Which is why i'd go with Everett Brown or Robert Ayers if theyre on the board at 13. Think about it - which front 7 would you prefer: 1. Carter, Griffin, Haynesworth, Ayers McIntosh/Thomas, Fletcher and Washington/Blades OR 2. Carter, Griffin, Haynesworth, Wynn/Daniels McIntosh, Fletcher, Orakpo or Maualuga To me, the first option presents a far more dominant defense, but thats just my opinion. If we're picking at 13, Andre Smith is the most likely OT to be there, and he's got two knocks against him: 1. Questionable character, drive, work ethic, etc. 2. He can't play LT (where as Oher has the potential to play LT and allow Samuels to move right and prolong his career). In the end, if available, I feel either Ayers or Brown would be the safest, most prudent investment to make at 13. If it were up to me, and we had to pick a player at 13 (no trading up or down), this is how i would fill our teams 3 primary "conventional wisdom" needs: DE - (First Round Pick) Robert Ayers, Tennessee OT - (Third Round Pick) T.J. Lang, Eastern Michigan LB - Resign Marcus Washington and sign the best OLB available in the 5th round. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

04-21-2009, 04:50 PM	#3
NM Redskin The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,014	Re: Please Draft ??? at #13 Sanchez, were getting next year Number 1 overall if he'd stayed another year at USC. That way if Campbell fails, Colt and Sanchez fight it out. __________________ Despite my solid 40 time and great intangibles I went undrafted AGAIN!

04-21-2009, 04:51 PM	#5
rstone1979 Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Midlothian, VA Age: 46 Posts: 107	Re: Please Draft ??? at #13 ANYONE!! Please keep this pick and don't try to trade up for Sanchez. Keep our picks!!

04-21-2009, 05:06 PM	#6
Nflnick11 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 432	Re: Please Draft ??? at #13 Please get oher or orakpo if neither then trade down or get rey maualuga

04-21-2009, 05:22 PM	#7
vallin21 The Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,180	Re: Please Draft ??? at #13 1. If possible trade up to get Orakpo. 2. Take the best available OT. Oher, Smith or if they're both available take Smith, because his play ismuch more consistent compared to Oher's. If you watch Smith's film he is arguably the best OT in this year's class. 3. Trade down. Assuming Sanchez is there this would be the smart move, (but the Redskins would most likely pick him). Trade with the Jets, pick at 17 drating Oher, Maybin, Brown, and pick up there 2nd looking at a C/G.

04-21-2009, 05:31 PM	#8
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Re: Please Draft ??? at #13 Why is there no talk about Duke Robinson OG 6' 5" 329. Is it because he played at the less glamorous OG position in college as opposed to the OT position? This guy can play Right OT in the NFL. Why take the fourth best OT (Oher) who is 6'5" and 309 pounds and pass on the best OG who is bigger and played some OT in college. He started 10 games a true freshman and played well at LT. Everywhere I look to read about Robinson they talk about this can't miss "Road Grader", big , great athlete.

04-21-2009, 05:47 PM	#12
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,453	Re: Please Draft ??? at #13 I want the fat kid from Alabama. Is that Smith? I know he's got some issues but he could probably step in and start at RT and we've got some vets to take him under their wing. I'm not sure why everyone is so high on Orakpo. I didn't see a ton of Texas games but the ones I did he didn't impress me at all. AND ANYONE BUT SANCHEZ. He's not even better than party boy Leinart and he couldn't beat out John David Booty who can't beat out Tavarus Jackson.

04-21-2009, 06:31 PM	#15
diehard The Starter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Norfolk, Va (OV) Posts: 1,566	Re: Please Draft ??? at #13 It's seems Oher and Smith may be gone by 13 and I like Ayers better than Orakpo. Sticking with the choices, Oher.

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